Friday, June 27, 2008

These Foolish Games

Nothing going on until July 1.
And then after that, there's nothing going until early September.
We're in the early stages of the dog days of summer.






[ Eric H. ]

:: Orpik and his agent shot down the Penguins offer. [ Trib ]
Numbers weren't released, so any figures on the internet are hearsay.

:: [ Puck Daddy ] found the link of a Penguins blogger
who was bored and decided to compare Orpik to Scott Stevens.

:: Martin Straka left the NHL to play on and help manage a Czech club. [ NY Post ]
Whoops, no he didn't. [ TSN ]
There's confusion surround the Straka situation.
It's no surprise that his agent is Ritch Winter, Fiesta's agent.



[20080507ho_arena_330.jpg]

We were creepin' on [ LGP ] and found a thread discussing the new arena.

Will the rising costs of everything due to gasoline prices push the arena over-budget?
The Penguins are contractually bound to pay for any runover cost.




The team salary cap for next season is up $6.4 million to $56.7 million. [ ESPN ]

After the lockout, the team cap was $39 million.
It's gone up nearly $18 million in 3 years.

Are we dipping back into the pre-lockout days...inevitably on our way to another lockout?
Or is the current financial structure of the NHL just that bamf?





:: There are some solid things brewing at [ The Flower Shop ]
:: [ How 'Bout Dat 'Burgh N'at? ] is dominating the internet due to summer downtime.


:: [ Please Stay Hossa ] -- Online petition.

:: As for our own thoughts on the Marian Hossa Situation,
we turn to Whitney Houston:







Would you pay $5 for any of these? [ Here ]












Game #13
[ The Things We Lost In The Fire. PENS LOSE. ]


3 - 2

ONE OF TWO CONTROVERSIAL JOKES MADE DURING THE SEASON:

What do these pictures have in common?
They both will be dead before you know it.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


TK's first goal as a Pen.
Like 8 minutes were taken off the board when they went back and realized it was a goal.

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO




Go Pens

479 comments:

penstone410 said...

FIRST

penstone410 said...

whitney houston

haha

stokes said...

Staff, did you use the word "bamf" as in bad ass mother fucker?


If so, Stokes=stunned.

penstone410 said...

i believe they did, and it makes them bamfs!!

..don't tell stoosh because we don't like dane cook the comedian, and if i knew the phrase and actually liked it, that would mean me=joke

jefe penguino said...

i went through my prize hockey cards the other day. even the "good" ones prob aint worth shit now.

penstone410 said...

..and 5 bucks a pop for the cards? i don't know bout that.. if thats the case, i'll dig out my brother's old school ones and do the same..

jefe penguino said...

i have some rookie cards from that era of the early 90's. jagger hasek lidstrom i remember. that whole set of pens isnt worth 5 bucks.

stokes said...

Penstone, Back in 1995, my first band was named Bamf. We weren't good at all, but we totally predated that ass Dane Cook.


So if you haven't seen weezer's new video, its probably the best video i've seen in a loooooooooong time. completely awesome. they appear in every popular video on you tube. Pork and Beans

jefe penguino said...

i say if were going to get an older fella or two to play wing for us, make sure its players who havnt won the cup yet. that determination and drive will help.

@stokes -yeah good video. the new disc is decent. only listened to it once though. dont really remember. hah.

penstone410 said...

@stokes
well then, from now on, when i reference "bamf" and some jobber goes "yeahhhhhh dane cook!!" i'll say "no jagoff, it was stokes' band!"

and i saw the new weezer video the other morning on vh1 and couldn't believe how awesome of a concept it is.. kudos for posting it

jefe penguino said...

id like to see the pens bring in radim vrbata. mostly cause its a cool name. and hes under 30. with more potential. good luck.

i need to change my schedule around so that im not sleeping through rapid fire cblog. although peace and quiet cblog is nice too.

i know what will help me sleep..
counting sheep.

penstone410 said...

@jefe
i agree.. because i have such a screwed up sleep schedule (meaning none at all) i miss the peak cblog time, which is during the day.. oh well.. the sheep may help me too!

TheSteelPen66 said...

All in favor of naming the new arena after Mario say "I!!!"

jefe penguino said...

not working.

bah. go back to sleep

name the arena: the iron city center

brndlynn said...

this blog is making the off-season bearable. whitney houston video made me lol. love going back and remembering past games. poor kennedy waiting forever to find out if he had his first nhl goal.
@ stokes: thanks for posting Pork and Beans. great way to start the day.
@ penstone: your grandfather will def be in my prayers. ive been in that situation myself so if you need anything let me know.

jefe penguino said...

TGRIF

Jonny Veesdoorwall said...

Hope your night went as good as it possibly could, considering the circumstances, penstone. Sorry to hear that.

Nice video stokes (all your pork and beans are belong to us haha), i'm not a huge fan of Fallout boy, but their new video for their cover of Beat It has both Chris Turk (around the 1:15 mark) and Buster Bluth (around 2:10) in it. Well, the guys that play them anyways. And I saw a few posts the other day with videos of mash ups, don't know if this one was posted, but it's my all time favorite.
Bittersweet Dirt Off Your Shoulder

I had like four of those Score Eric Lindros rookie cards in the really nice screw in cases, aswell as Selanne and Federov Upper Deck rookie cards that probably aren't worth jack now. And Peter Ahola. What would ever possess me to put him in a protective plastic sleeve?

Flyer Hater, I do dig charmed, but not for Alyssa Milano...Rose McGowan is one hot chica.

Timetogotoworkblog.

Stilly said...

Whatev. Alyssa Milano > Rose McGowan. And Alyssa Milano was in Commando, so that automatically makes her better.

I can't effing wait until Tuesday. It'll be a relief to finally see what cards the Pens hold for next season.

Aron said...

when it comes to cardcollectingblog i think i've got you all beat. Through my youth stage I bought over 10,000 baseball cards and probably another 5,000 hockey,football & basketball. I think my most valuable card now is like $20. It's depressing how much i've spent on this hobby/addiction.

jefe penguino said...

i plan on selling my peter ahola card back to peter ahola. i have the hologram one and i see its going for 3 bucks on ebay.

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Stilly said...

Me=Stunned. Waitingblog, Scrubsblog AND Super Troopersblog????

I currently own Scrubs seasons 1-6, two copies of Super Troopers (one wore out from use, but I keep it anyway) and Waiting is soon heading in that direction...

"...but if you wanna work here... in this restaurant, you gotta ask yourself one questions.. How do you feel about frontal male nudity?"

Stilly said...

qonestions = question

fail.

Stilly said...

Holy shit.. two straigt posts of idiocy. Good thing Flyer Hater isn't here.

jefe penguino said...

hockey price guide (pdf). anyone have the stanley cup hologram from 90-91 pro set?.

i only liked the first scene of super troopers. i think i got lost after that. shaunofthedead was ok. hot fuzz was perty retarded. have not seen waiting. just watched THE HAMMER. +. and might go see WANTED tonight.

brndlynn said...

jefe: if you've ever worked in a restaurant "Waiting" is a must-see.

canaan said...

ah, yes... the al arbour joke.

jefe penguino said...

@brnd -i have. but thats just a movie that never crossed my path..

until now. downloading.

P.O. said...

you dont fuck with the people who handle your food

Jasper said...

@brndlynn "this blog is making the off-season bearable"
agreed

Alyssa Milano & Rose McGowan are both cute

@P.O. "you dont fuck with the people who handle your food"
true, brings up memories from fight club

P.O. said...

milano>>>>>>>>>>>>mcgowan

not even close

BlacknGold66 said...

@Flyer Hater:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefff


I doooon't


haaaaaaaaaave


chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu


chuuuuuuuyadarlin'yadarlin'yadarlin.....

Eeeef I chon't have...

Flyer Hater said...

Charmed discussion carrying over from last night, Me=Stunned

Milano>>>>>>>>>McGowan

I prefer my women to not be albino.

brndlynn said...

charmedblog: gotta agree with fh. milano is def >>>> McGowan

Stilly said...

@FH

Agreed. Although I do like redhead Charmed McGowan better than goth Marilyn Manson McGowan. Alyssa Milano's hottness in Charmed has been rivaled by few in television since.

P.O. said...

didnt know it was a charmed discussion... thought it was just hotchicksblog

Stilly said...

Milano is hotter, but her powers are weaksauce.

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Korn said...

I thought "BAMF" was the sound Nightcrawler made when he teleported? Me running dorkblog.

BTW, "Will the rising costs of everything due to gasoline prices push the arena over-budget?"

Everything's not rising in cost due to the cost of gasoline. Everything, including gasoline, is rising in cost because the f'n Federal Reserve has devalued our dollar. Now when we go to Canada, THEY laugh and give us less of their money for ours. Your economics lesson of the day.

blueline said...

$5 each for Tony Tanti and Gord Dineen is a fucking steal for any auction. Back the fuck off everyone, those cards are mine.

akus said...

Things that make summer bareable;
As i think all agree
tPB

For me,
Recap of games
Watching Game 5 again of the SCF

Waking up to hear Coldplay LIVE on TV in NYC

Oh and the p00l, the sun and the shopping helps ;)


Pork and Beans, my daughter just told me about that yesterday

P.O. said...

korn

are you saying that if gas was $1.99 per gallon i would still be paying nearly $4 for a gallon of milk?

Stilly said...

@p.o.

The biggest reason that gas is so high is because of the value of the dollar.

Housing Meltdown led to Fed interest rate cuts led to piss poor dollar led to investement in commodities as a hedge against inflation. It's the specualtion in the commodity market that is driving up the price of everything from oil to corn. People are freaking about cyclical markets.

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Stephen S. said...

omg! I still have those cards! come to think of it... I still have a bunch of old cup-years stuff at my moms. IOh crap! I think I may even have a shark fin powerplay sign!

triptoohioblog.

Carroll said...

charmedblog - I watched it all the time when it was on.

No love for: Shannon Doherty or Kaley Cuoco. I agree that Alyssa was the best!! Loved her since she was Sam on Who's the Boss.

P.O. said...

stilly

gas isnt just high in the US, over in Europe its twice as high as it is here... the only areas in the world where gas is reasonable is in countries that have a high reserve (iran, saudi arabia, etc)... its not just our pain here

Korn said...

Stilly provides an A+ answer.

P.O. said...

stilly provides a very liberal answer

Korn said...

@po

Gas has historically been higher in Europe. Higher taxes. But the recent increases in the price of oil haven't hit the eurozone as hard. Their euros are worth alot more than our dollars, thus greater purchasing power. If you price oil in euros instead of dollars, the price of a barrel of oil hasn't gone up as drastically as it appears when oil is priced in dollars. It's the value of a dollar that has largely contributed to the increase in price (along with other things like changing demand and commodities speculation).

Victor Raison said...

Actually, the price of oil in the U.S. has gone up because, since the Earth is flat, tankers have to sail a longer route to get the oil here.

P.O. said...

gas in london is almost $6 US dollars per gallon... theres no denying that the euro has surpassed the dollar, its been that way for several years (witnessed first hand in italy when 1200 of my US dollars turned into 800 euros in a blink), but the difference in the euro to the dollar is not a reflection on the US economy... the US economy as a whole is actualy thriving (see FORBES magazine) who the exclusion of the real-estate market and the auto industry (a reflection on rising gas prices but also in the durability of cars purchased in this millenium)

P.O. said...

who the exclusion = with the exclusion



*note to self... when partaking in an educated discussion do not have typos joke

Korn said...

well played Victor.

I don't think anyone's arguing about the state of the economy, while I'd be cautious about saying thriving, it's doing well. But the fact is the Fed cut interest rates in an attempt to provide easy money in the face of a potential recession and has done considerable damage to the dollar, which gives us higher prices for everything. And higher prices may have an even larger economic drag in an economy that is so reliant on consumer purchases.

J.S. said...

gasblog

read this on another msgboard the other day, and it kinda makes sense. Could it happen? Possibly. Will it happen? I'll say it's wishful thinking at best right now.

Gas, falls to $2 a gallon

Aron said...

economyblog>soccerblog?

P.O. said...

last thing ill say about gas

its high.. i drive every day to see clients... my car gets 17 miles per gallon... my company gives me $200 per month for gas and it isnt enough.. im bleeding

sirimanni said...

a friend of mine working for an engineering company that is helping design the arena said that they are already spending way too much on construction so they are making all of the lounges and whatnot as cheap as possible to make up for it

Aron said...

17 mpg? H2? get a honda buddy.

P.O. said...

aron

06 cadillac cts

i dont buy foreign cars

Victor Raison said...

With all due respect, if you're driving a car that only gets 17 mpg you really shouldn't be complaining about gas prices.

Colin said...

The reason for the increased costs related to construction of the arena is most like due to rising materal costs, not gas.

The biggest driver of construction costs is the price of materials. Over the last 18 months, steel prices skyrocketed more than 50 percent. Much of this was because of increased demand from China (two-thirds of the world’s construction projects are underway in South China) as well as reduced exports from Russia, the Ukraine, and other major producers. This price inflation led to a ripple effect in the industry—from structural steel to metal studs. Builders who signed fixed-price contracts were forced to pass their costs along to developers.

Linky

P.O. said...

why cant i complain about gas prices? because im not some tree hugging liberal driving a prius powered by re-used french fry grease?

Aron said...

@p.o. i respect your decision to not buy foreign cars, but you're not necessarily making the best economic decisions by doing so. This is America, be a capitalist or bust.

Original Nathan said...

@p.o.: Most "foreign" are more American-made than actual American cars anymore. Honda, Toyota, and Nissan all have plants in this country and have provided jobs in a lot of places for auto workers that had their jobs pulled out from under them by the American car companies.

Aron said...

@p.o.

hope you're keeping mileage logs! At least you can deduct the difference between what you pay minus what the company covers if you itemize.

Jasper said...

infaltion -> money devalues -> need more money to buy the same amount of stuff -> cost rises of materials -> prices become higher
->need even more money to buy the same amount of stuff -> you're fucked while working on the construction of a new stadium

or smth like that
woooooooooooooooo

P.O. said...

@ aron

believe me i keep logs and i deduct at the end of the year.. i write off everything i can and even some things i cant (thank you awesome accountant)

@ original nathan

thats all well and good but chicks dig the caddy

Victor Raison said...

It has nothing to do with hugging trees, mate. But 17 mpg for a car is ridiculous, even for a full-size sedan. I'm not blasting your choice of vehicle, but don't complain about the price of fuel when yours burns an excessive amount of it.

Aron said...

woah...can't condone that last part of taxblog as an accountant but whatev

Jasper said...

" chicks dig the caddy"
solid reason imo

ow yeah infaltion = inflation

Aron said...

speaking of inflation and how it relates to the pens...with jeff carter and now corey perry looking to get 5.0/yr...does that set Staal's value. If he get's 25+ goals this year i'd be ok with it.

P.O. said...

victor

17mpg is what my average fuel usage is on my readings from my on board computer... that is a mix of heavy city and highway driving.. the actual factory mpg might be around 23 or so but because i do ALOT of stop and go driving (as most everyone does) my average mpg takes a heavy hit

JYo said...

economyblog>soccerblog?

Maybe if you are a sadist! ...or an oil tycoon!


17 mpg? H2? get a honda buddy.

Or just start hypermiling!


Victor Raison = voice of reason

Stoosh said...

To the putz who started that "sky is falling" thread over at LGP.com about the arena costs rising to the point that it's going to jeopardize the project, ain't gonna happen.

First off, in general terms, any general contractor worth a damn on a multi-year project is going to factor materials increases into their initial estimates, bids and - once they are awarded the project - construction budgets.

Second, the construction industry began seeing massive increases in materials dating back to 2003. When I first started working for my current employer, I was handling purchasing for a construction division of our company. Two of the main commodities I bought were ready-mix concrete and steel (mostly rebar, but also some structural)...commodities that will make up the bulk of the superstructure of the arena.

In high volume construction areas (Florida, California, etc), we saw the prices of concrete and steel more than double from 2003 to 2004. They're still going up, but not quite as quickly.

Trust me, the construction industry knew these issues were coming five years ago. Costs have been going up, but it's been fairly regular increases since about 2003-04.

The contractors are aware of it...they were aware of it before the agreement on the arena was finalized and the Pens more than likely agreed to pick up cost overruns based on information given to them by the contractors.

P.O. said...

stoosh

nice to see you got that firewall issue handled

wilsmith said...

stokes, we need to work on becoming internet celebrities so we can be in a weezer video.

I cant believe they went out and tracked some of those people down.

P.O. said...

The New York Post reports that New York Rangers winger Jaromir Jagr has received a three-year, $35 million contract offer to play with Omsk of the Russian Super League next season. A source with connections in the Czech Republic told The Post that Jagr received the formal offer this week

Jasper said...

now let's see what jagr does with the offer he received, a three-year, $35 million contract offer to play with Omsk of the Russian Super League next season

Stoosh said...

@ Colin -

The reason for the increased costs related to construction of the arena is most like due to rising materal costs, not gas.

Exactly.

Fuel-related costs are passed on in the form of fuel surcharges, not cost adjustments to the actual material.

If you ordered 36 yards of concrete from a ready-mix company, they'd ship it in a standard concrete truck, each of which carries 8-9 cubic yards. So if you went with 36 yards, the concrete supplier would send a total of four trucks to deliver your complete order.

In 2003, I'd see a delivery/fuel surcharge cost of $8 total for the entire 36-yard order. In 2004, they absorbed fuel increases by charging an $8 fuel surcharge PER TRUCK. What was costing me $8 to deliver in 2003 was now costing me $32.

We're seeing the same thing with materials deliveries. Fuel costs are being passed on in the form of specific fuel surcharges on deliveries.

Material cost increases on commodities are being passed on as actual adjustments to unit prices of materials, and those are based on increased costs for the raw materials.

For instance, pricing on the actual ready-mix was going up because the cost of Portland cement (a necessary ingredient to ready-mix) was going up.

Here in our plant, we use a lot of bronze ingot to make our memorials. The price of bronze ingot has gone up because one of the main components of our ingot is copper, and copper is out of control right now.

JYo said...

Jagr link. No way he gets that kind of money here. We'll see if he goes for it though.

Flyer Hater said...

Milano's powers are weaksauce, premonition=joke.

Piper's a big deal

Flyer Hater said...

Stoosh, I thought when you talked about the putz who created the sky is falling thread, you meant the dude who created the Orpik rejected the Pens offer. You'd think the Pens were telling a re-incarnation of Larry Robinson's and Scott Steven's love-child to F off.

Flyer Hater said...

What people gotta remember is that Orpik was playing on the freaking 4th line as a winger in mid-February. That wasn't because he killed Therrien's cat or refused to let Therrien watch a marathon of Charmed, it was because he sucked. Does 3 good months warrant a long-term contract at 4 million per?

Aron said...

no fh it does not, but 3.5/per i think we can live with.

JYo said...

I can see being wary of giving Brooks a big contract FH, but who do you propose replacing him with? Gill is the only other really physical D-man the Pens have, so they need at least one more. Brooks appears to have turned the corner and at his age should be just hitting his prime. With the cap going up, salaries will keep going up, so $4 million isn't a huge contract any more. I'm not saying he is a sure thing stud, but I think they could do a lot worse and probably not save much money in doing so.

Dr. Turkleton said...

FH...

and while Gonch isn't Ray Bourque when it comes to defensive play...it didn't hurt that Orps was paired up with him the last 1/3 of the season + into the playoffs.

Mario Lemieux/Warren Young Effect.

The Hockey News has Brooks listed as the #19 best FA [UFA or RFA] out there...has morphed from an error-prone defenseman with a penchant for taking bad penalties to a reliable defender who plays with a physical edge. Looking to at least double his salary, he might be leaving Pittsburgh.

Projected Salary: $3.25 mil

AJ said...

best.

use of a Whitney Houston song in a hockey blog.

ever.

Flyer Hater said...

I'm just throwing possible names out there to replace Orpik

Commodore, Foote, Stuart, Dick Tarnstrom

Jasper said...

It'd be good to keep the guy around, but he turned down some offers, wondering for what kinda money he didn't wanna sign

Aron said...

tarnstrom is a much much worse ryan whitney houston. commodore would be ideal replacement if we need to. It's much easier to root for Brooks though. He's got the best "are you kidding me" look in the NHL.

Flyer Hater said...

It was either Tarnstrom or Melichar coming back...

P.O. said...

Tarnstrom > Rose McGowan

Flyer Hater said...

P.O.

Power of 3=STUNNED

Dr. Turkleton said...

FH

don't forget Joe Melichar...in which Buzz on the Turds' sources said the Pens contacted him but Joe said NO...

Don't give up King Shero, don't ever give up.



[Brian Campbell]

Stilly said...

economyblog

I didn't give a liberal answer. That's the root cause. I'm not interested in seeing government controlled markets. What I'm saying is that this is cyclical. Once the financial sector recovers to a certain point, the Fed will hike rates. When they hike rates, the dollar will rise. When the dollar rises, investors will look to stocks and not commodities. Once investors leave commodities alone, oil and gas prices will fall.

One of the reasons that construction materials have gone up is because metals, especially copper, are commodities. They're used to hedge against inflation as well.

What would alleviate some pressure, is if America increases oil drilling and refining. That way we can offset the increases demand that China and India are fueling. We can directly impact the demand side of the equation, we cannot do much about market whims, no matter how painful.

Drill in Alaska, along the coasts of the US and Brazil. Just drill the shit out of everything. How's that for liberal?

Stilly said...

@FH

I don't think I'd mind seeing Brad Stuart in Black and Vegas. I think that'd be a sweet pickup.

P.O. said...
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P.O. said...

drill everywhere and anywhere come drill in my front yard, just get it back to $0.99 like it was in 1998

Stoosh said...

A quick comment on Dan's posts yesterday about Shero...

Dan wondered if - in light of Orpik's rejection of the initial Pens' offer coupled with the possibilities that Orpik and Malone could leave - it's time to start questioning Shero.

I say outside of the Orpik situation, probably not.

Given all the other present-day and future salary considerations with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, Fleury, Hossa, Orpik and even Gonchar, Whitney and Letang, Malone is going to get paid more than he's worth to the Pens. You can't blame Shero for letting Malone walk.

You can't keep everyone under a cap situation. It's about getting the most value for their dollar. When you factor in some sort of production-to-dollars assessment of the all the players Shero needs to be concerned with (core players and free agents), along with the difficulty the franchise would have in adequately replacing that player for a lower cost, Malone is probably the one player for whom they're going to have to overpay the most to keep.

I also couldn't blame Shero for letting Hossa walk. They presented what we're led to think was a solid offer to Hossa that still allowed the team the best chances to preserve the rest of their overall core. It made the most sense within the context of their financial situation.

If you need to go up a bit from there, Shero could PROBABLY justify investing a little bit more cap room and possibly even overpaying a bit for Hossa because he's an elite talent, and an overpayment would be at least mostly justified by exceptional production. He's not a franchise player, but he's an elite complimentary player. Neither Malone nor Orpik are at that level.

Even still, though, I can't blame Shero for letting Hossa go if Hossa - as the top free agent target this summer - gets an offer for something along the lines of what Lecavalier got. Given the current makeup of the Pens situation, Hossa isn't worth that much money to the Pens.

Orpik MIGHT be a little bit different because he's going to command less on the market than Malone will. What might be overpaying for Orpik (say $3.5M per year) won't be as much of a hit as overpaying for Malone would be (say, $5.0M per year). In other words, overpaying a little bit for Orpik won't be as big a financial hit to the overall cap as would overpaying for Malone, so maybe to some degree, it makes more sense for the Pens to prioritize Orpik over Malone.

Colin said...

Brad Stuart would be sick, but he made 3.5M last year and would most likely be in line for a raise because his play in the playoffs.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

i saw gas was 3.88 somwhere near my house and i about had a heart attack.

Aron said...

questionblog.

Should we assume that the Pens are going to spend up to the CAP max before they move to the new arena?

alsoyoudonotwantgovernmenttocontrolstuffsopleasevotewiselythanksblog

Aron said...

stoosh=100% correct

Flyer Hater said...

Dr. Turk, "SHOEROS LIKES NEEDS TO DO SUMTHING LOZZLSLDLKKD OMGZZZZZZ, LIKEZ WHEREZ EVERYBODYS BE GOINS?"

Flyer Hater said...

Aron, when isn't Stoosh "100% correct"?

Flyer Hater said...

Stilly, the biggest reason that the value of dollar is down is BECAUSE of the totally unconstitutional Federal Reserve. This video should explain it.

STUNNED

Stoosh said...

@ Penstone410 -

Meant to say it earlier...

You and your family will be in our thoughts and prayers. Hope everything is going OK.

Matt Gajtka said...

I wouldn't worry about the salary cap rising as a sign of trouble to come.

The cap ceiling and floor are determined by taking a certain percentage of total revenue garnered by the NHL over the past year. That way player salaries won't take up too much of the league's cumulative revenue, a practice that was causing financial issues before the lockout.

The salary cap/floor benchmarks going up is a great sign for the league, since that means total revenues are up.

BAMF

Flyer Hater said...

Matt, don't try to use your propaganda of logic and facts to distract all of us from the true point that the sky is falling and the Pens will be the Pirates in 5 years. Look at the brightside, the Leafs can sign Yanic Perreault to a 10 billion dollar contract.

Colin said...

Facts and logic are erroneous on all counts!

Aron said...

i motion to remove facts and logic henceforth from all discussion

Original Nathan said...

wetblanketblog: Drilling in Alaska and off the coasts isn't going to help much. It'd take years to get those drilling facilities up and running in the first place, and the general consensus is that there's about 144 days' supply of oil offshore and about 18 months' supply in ANWR.

Cutting down consumption is the more effective way to go.

For the record, I drive a Toyota Corolla. Just a shade under 30 mpg with my normal driving routines (vast majority city driving, 15-mile one-way commute to work).

Aron said...

on a similar note, i think Ryan Malone definitely deserves a 6 yr $52 mil contract because he broke his nose for us.

Flyer Hater said...

Jack McCoy is looking to charge Matt with Man 2, for his reckless use of logic and facts.

Victor Raison said...

Facts are troublesome things.

Aron said...

@ original nathan

"wetblanketblog: Drilling in Alaska and off the coasts isn't going to help much. It'd take years to get those drilling facilities up and running in the first place, and the general consensus is that there's about 144 days' supply of oil offshore and about 18 months' supply in ANWR."

This is a ridiculous argument...because had we started doing this...i don't know 10 years ago like it was first planned, we'd be reaping the benefits of not having to depend on foreign oil as much. It has to start somewhere, it has to start somehow...who cares how long it takes. At least it guarantees relief in 3-5 years...which we don't have now.

Aron said...

i aplogize ahead of time for the use of logic in my last argument.

Dr. Turkleton said...

It'd take years to get those drilling facilities up and running in the first place

Solution: hire Daniel Plainview

drinkin' milkshakes...

mmmmmmm....milkshakes.

P.O. said...

nathan

if you want to reduce consumption thats great and i applaud you for your efforts and ideas and same goes for those who share your views/opinions

i however am going to keep driving my gas guzzling cadillac (why? because i fucking love it) and im going to keep eating from styrofoam plates and using other non-biodgradeable products because i can and they make my life easier and more enjoyable.

Aron said...

@ p.o. continually defying logic and wisdom since 19XX

P.O. said...

preach on brother aron

ill drink that milkshake... ill drink it up

Aron said...

milkshakeblog reference please? i'm in the dark on this one.

P.O. said...

from the movie "There Will Be Blood" which was about oil drilling with Daniel Day Lewis

Aron said...

thanks. I rented that one, got charged a late fee...and never got to watch it.

Original Nathan said...

If you want to keep blowing your money on a gas guzzler, go nuts. But come on, use paper plates at least.

Original Nathan said...

And there's no guarantee of price relief. And even if there is price relief, it'll be very temporary.

Jasper said...

milkshake-drainage

Aron said...

@original nathan

You want a guarantee in life? I've got a couple for you. Death and taxes

Aron said...

that's just ridiculous scare tactic thinking spewed on by mr obama

Original Nathan said...

@ aron: Hey, I wasn't the one saying that additional domestic drilling was going to provide price relief. That was you.

Original Nathan said...

My final comment on this comes from a great American philosopher, the writer that put these words into Homer Simpson's mouth: Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.

Flyer Hater said...

Aron, it's all apart of Obama's "change"

J.S. said...

rantongasandgassuckingvehiclesblog

vic, this isn't a rant towards you, but I'm mentioning it only because it's the 3rd time his week that somebody made a comment about the vehicles people drive and gas prices. Nothing personal.

My vehicle gets less than 17 mpg on average, probably closer to 15. I bought a Jeep Liberty a year and some change ago when gas was on the way back down from the Katrina-levels, which were around 2.99-3.19 IIRC. At the time, gas was 2.05 down from the place where I bought it. Now if anybody here would have told me that price of gas was going double within the year, I probably would have laughed in their face and questioned their IQ. Now, I am forced to deal with almost $250/mo at the pump. Could I trade it? Sure, and with the way dealerships are knocking down my door looking for a 6 cyl SUV that gets shitty mileage, I'd be foolish not to [/sarcasm]. I've actually tried to trade mine for a Subaru last year before winter (yes, 6 months after I bought it) and one dealership was willing to give me 7k for an at-the-time 3 year old Jeep. I politely told them to go screw themselves. I ended up buying a bike, which I discussed in earlier c-blogs, to help combat the high gas prices...when it isn't raining out, which it seems like we've had an unusually high amount of rain this year.

So it's not entirely the driver's fault when they drive a gas sucking vehicle. More than likely, I'll ride out the storm for another year or two (read: pay down the Jeep so I don't go several thousand "upside down" on my next vehicle), and yes my next vehicle will more than likely be a 4 cylinder.

pork and beans video = awesome.

Where was Tom Dickson, the Will It Blend guy, in that video? Wiki has him listed, but I didn't see him.

Aron said...

Change for the sake of change is...not the best thing. I worry so much about this election. People have turned into thoughtless zombies, fainting and applauding marxist ideas from a terrific public speaker who spews ignorance at incredible rates. Yuck

Aron said...

brian rolston to pit. Yay or Nay
he would cost somehwere in the $3.5 - $4.0 range for a couple years. Three straight 30 goal seasons, good PKiller. He could also anchor the second PP unit with his booming shot from the point.

Original Nathan said...

I say yea on taking a flier on Rolston. As long as he's got that slapper working, this could work out.

Joose said...

You're right, Aron. And nobody is blindly following a man who will further run this country into the ground simply because they are afraid of change.

Original Nathan said...

And a 30-goal season in Minnesota means something. Anyone in c-blog could probably pot 25 playing next to Bing, but to get 30+ a season over multiple years in the place where entertaining hockey goes to die is an accomplishment.

Victor Raison said...

Re: Gas guzzling - My statements were not directed towards people driving big cars. I am many things, but a tree-hugger is not one of them. If I may use a metaphor to explain myself: I likes me some Grey Goose, but I don't complain about the price when Vladimir will get the job done.

Re: Obama - perhaps such a candidate is what the conservatives need. If he is elected, the conservatives will have to re-evaluate themselves and come together to make sure we don't all become commies. Certainly, the Republicans have given us conservatives a bad name as of late, and we need to turn that around.

Dr. Turkleton said...

Obama in '08
Osama in '09



Rolston - FTW

he does everything except sell cotton-candy

Joose said...

People are fucking stupid.

Raybin said...

If Rolston joins the Pens, I will be pleased because I've been pushing him for days

If he then falls flat on this face, I of course deny ever having done so.

[Rolston]

[Naslund]

Aron said...

haha dr.

i love it. let's see a quick little avatar change should do it.

Victor Raison said...

At any rate, I'm off for a weekend in Philadelphia, NJ. Thanks to tPB, I feel armed and ready with facts and miscellany to do battle with those gremlins that call themselves Flyer's fans. Wish me luck.

Original Nathan said...

One of the problems with the Republican Party ca. 2008 is that they let the religious right get too powerful within the party. The resulting social conservative bent has to have driven away the more libertarian wing of the party. It might actually be good for the Republicans to get destroyed in this presidential election and have to rework themselves without the Christian right.

At least I hope so. I lived in Jerry Falwell's hometown for 15 years, and I want to firebomb the place with every fiber of my being. It's a damn shame we can't grant their wish to live in a theocracy by deporting them all to Iran.

Dr. Turkleton said...

He could also anchor the second PP unit with his booming shot from the point.

he's 1st PP material all the way...

double trouble at the points: Gonch & Rolston

Geno, Sid, Staal down low doin' their thang.

Whit,LeGame,Syko,Tablot,Naslund on unit II....

drop the puck, already!!!!!!!!!

Aron said...

how has christianity ruined the repulican party? If anything lack of christianity is what brings us to where we are today.

also good luck vic.

Raybin said...

It might actually be good for the Republicans to get destroyed in this presidential election and have to rework themselves without the Christian right.

Given that the Republican resurgence of the last 40 years began when they reworked themselves after Goldwater got annihilated in '64, you're probably on to something here.

Aron said...

in other hockey news,

from TSN,

The Anaheim Ducks are parting ways with Todd Bertuzzi, as the club has placed the veteran winger on waivers with the intention to buyout the remaining season of his contract with the organization.


I want no part of him on this team.

J.S. said...

Rolston is still quick enough that he could run the #2 power play, run up to D32 to sell cotton candy with Ken and not miss a shift.

Dr. Turkleton said...

aron

+100 on the new avatar!

I liked that tee as well!!!!

keep the change = classic.

Raybin said...

@aron

Agreed.

There are persons whose character (Bertuzzi, Sean Avery, Chris Pronger) is so contemptible, I wouldn't want them any where near the Pens, regardless of talent.

And Bertuzzi's been way down in that department recently anyhow.

Original Nathan said...

It's not Christianity (or other religion) per se that are the problem, it's what people do while acting on their religion. If your religious beliefs lead you to try to make the world a more peaceful and inclusive place, then you're doing good for the world. But when you use your religious beliefs to spread death, hatred, and intolerance, then it is a problem. It's not religion itself that's created problems for the Republicans, it's the version of Christianty that's been allowed to hijack the party in the last 30 years.

Flyer Hater said...

The Republican Party isn't the Republican Party anymore, it's disgusting. It used to be the party of smaller government, non-intervention in foreign affiars, and low taxes, now it's a complete clusterfuck. That's why I now consider myself a Libertarian. And please, don't tell me that the Christian Right hasn't fucked over the party. Most Republicans are too worried about holding together the moral fiber of America instead of worrying about inflation, civil rights, you know the things that matter, not some fairy tales that are translated into religion.

Original Nathan said...

Ugh, I hate when I change wording mid-sentence. It results in horrible grammar.

Stilly said...

Uh oh... DivisivePoliticsBlog

No one cares about who is voting for whom. To quote a great man:

If you have political convictions.. keep 'em to yourself.

Oil is traded in US dollars. When the dollar sucks, people buy oil because it's cheap when purchased with other currencies. Once the Fed staves off recession (which they needed to interviene. If Bear Stearns went bankrupt, there probably would've been a HUGE banking collapse) and hikes interest rates, people will invest in stocks again. With people investing in stocks, less will invest in commodities and the price will come down. Probably back to around 100 a barrel, which is projected for current supply/demand conditions.

The sky isn't falling. This isn't Y2K. It's a market cycle. No politican is going to effect that cycle. In terms of who you're voting for, base it on something other than the price of gas.

Raybin said...

I'm starting to feel rather out of place since I run atheistleftwingblog every day.

Aron said...

I can't speak to what has been done over the last 30 years. However I can tell you what I stand for as a Christian and it has nothing to do with death, hatred, or intolerance. To even associate those things with Christ is ignorant. There are nutcases to be sure, but pardon me for getting defensive when you "label" my faith in that way.

Stilly said...

@raybin

Which is why I hope we're done with politicsblog. It's nothing but damn divisive drivel. Alliteration aside, I like Charmedblog better than politicsblog.

Dr. Turkleton said...

somehow, I see Big Bert landing in Tampa Bay at Melrose's Place. With their new rock-star owners who are willing to throw around big bucks [according to EJ Hradek & Kevin Allen on NHL Live! yesterday]

I still can't believe one of those owners is the Len F'in Barrie that played a few games for the Pens & morphed into a real estate mogul.
Guess he watched some late night tv infomercials

Joose said...

I'm voting for Obama, but I don't think it matters in the long run. We're all fucked.

Stilly said...

ROFL at Melrose's Place. That should be the new name of the team.

Original Nathan said...

I'm just hoping that the Religious Right's influence in this country gets detroyed sooner rather than later. It probably won't make me any more likely to vote for Republicans, but it'd be so refreshing if the GOP would go back to being a more libertarian party.

Colin said...

How in the world was one of the best goaltenders in the league traded for Bertuzzi?

Flyer Hater said...

OK, who's the better sister, Prue or Paige?

RaCHeLeYoS said...

lol joose...couldn't agree more.

Dan said...

i feel like towlie, i have no idea what's going on.

my $.02

neither party is what they used to be, they are both full of shit. new parties or a dissolution of parties needs to emerge for results. the way the government is anymore is not the way the founding fathers pictured it. i know you have to adapt with time, but hopefully you get my point.

now that i saw that, the republicans problem is aligning themselves too much with the christian right. FAIL. there's a thing called separation of church and state. they didn't get the memo.

if the government would admit to a recession, things would improve. if they keep it up, they are going to be worrying about a depression.

is it july 1 yet? sick of all these guessing games.......

Joose said...

Jesus would support a war in Iraq and say it should last 100 years if necessary. He would definitely do that.

Raybin said...

@stilly

Thanks...I agree. Charmedblog > politicsblog. And I don't know if I've ever watched more than a half dozen episodes

@joose

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Original Nathan said...

How in the world was one of the best goaltenders in the league traded for Bertuzzi?

Mike Keenan was the GM. That's how.

Raybin said...

How in the world was one of the best goaltenders in the league traded for Bertuzzi?

Good question, especially since Lowe and Waddell weren't involved :)

OK, who's the better sister, Prue or Paige?

Paige was Rose McGowan? Sweet daddy jesus.

Original Nathan said...

Alex Auld FTW!

No?

Eddie Belfour FTW!

No?

That guy in Section 126 FTW!

Raybin said...

@nathan

HAH! You answered my statement before I made it.

Joose said...

I don't need to write an 80 line paragraph to get to my point. aha

Joose said...

Has there been any Ruutu, Dupuis, Laraque news yet or what? I can't take this shit anymore. I hope we don't talk about the Pens at Wingblog, because it will probably make me worried as shit all day Sunday.

Stoosh said...

RFAblog...

Good writeup here from TSN on the restricted free agent market.

Some thoughts...

1. Bernier, Gaustad and Paille would intrigue me a little, but I would think Buffalo ownership and management brings those guys back. They've had enough free agent disasters lately...I'd think they'd be wary of the PR nightmare that losing any of those three would bring.

2. Moving a step down, for the cost of a second-round pick, King Shero could possibly force an offer sheet and bring the likes of Wojtek Wolski, Andrei Kostitsyn, Loui Eriksson or Rostislav Olesz to play left wing. I'd imagine the offer sheet would be matched, but I'd love to see someone like Wolski here (The Polish Falcon). If we wound up with Kostitsyn, I'm not sure what I'd be capable of.

3. However, I agree with Scott Cullen that it might take an offer into the next-higher salary range to get Kostitsyn. A first and a third-round pick for him? I'd have to think about that, but it might be what you have to do to bring in a star-caliber winger who can fit well into the age range of the rest of the core.

4. It's nice that by taking Fleury to arbitration this year, Shero put the Pens in a position to not have to worry about this sort of thing.

Aron said...

so let me get this straight, if we have a disagreement, we shouldn't talk about it? i say let's run resolutionblog. I'm not even concerned with the political side, it's the complete lack of understanding of religion..and even Christianity for that matter. And yes they are different, but whatev

Dr. Turkleton said...

joose

you're stoosh-lite.

OR.

CliffsStooshes.

Aron said...

@ joose

me = stunned. I have no idea how to even begin this argument, or whether i'm for or against it. Know this, he wouldn't stand for the crap they've put their people through. I'm not sure what his methods would be, but stopping it would be objective #1.

Raybin said...

@stoosh

I would be so for Kostitsyn.

Dr. Turkleton said...

FH

can I vote for Piper?

Raybin said...

CliffsStooshes.

Genius.

Aron said...

polish falcon?

what a nickname

Stoosh said...

@ Joose -

Everything I hear about Dupuis seems to suggest that he might be gone, but I seem to think that he'd be a guy Shero would want to have back. They've got guys in the system who COULD replace him, but that's assuming those guys are ready. Dupuis, I thought, did a better job that Armstrong did playing Army's old role. He might be miscast as a top-line winger because he doesn't finish well, but I'd love to see him as a third-line winger.

Ruutu, I think, will still be back. Some stuff has been made of his alleged clashes with Therrien, but some much is made of so many players' respective clashes with Therrien, I'm beginning to think Therrien doesn't like Therrien. Ruutu established himself as a solid, dependable presence in the postseason and I still think when push comes to shove, he's a guy you'd just rather have on your team...especially against the Flyers and other teams like that.

The boost in the cap should give the Pens cause to hopefully bring these guys back.

Stilly said...

Piper is better than Prue. Paige is also better than Prue. That might have something to do with the general disdain I have for Shannon Dougherty, but I think Piper was the better "eldest" sister. And her powers are the shit. Freezing and Blowing stuff up is way better than orbing and empathy. And Holly Marie Combs isn't bad looking either.

Original Nathan said...

The more I think about it, while the Republican resurgence had its roots in the 1964 election, the real watershed moment was the 1976 election. After that point, the Republican Party turned away from the more liberal Northeastern Rockefeller wing in favor of the Reagan model. And it worked for them for the past 30 years, until Bush managed to turn himself into the least popular sitting president since the nadir of Truman's administration.

Flyer Hater said...

Dr. Turk, Piper is solid but can be a bit bitchy at times.

Dan said...

aron - there is no place in politics for religion. it's in writing. that's where everything goes wrong with politics. i would get furious in class when people would bring it into the class, apparently these people have never read a few documents that are important.

i was thinking, i wonder what it's like inside of shero's head right now. then i thought that might be a scary place to be.

Joose said...

Turk

You just called me a Stoosh. I can't believe this. My life is officially worth living now.

Commit to the Stoosh.

Stilly said...

@FH and she does have two kids. That's some extra baggage.

Raybin said...

Commit to the Joosh.

Aron said...

@ dan

that's fine, but does anything work the way it used to or was meant to?

what did they bring to class? religion? bible?

what made you furius...and how did they use it?

you have to realize some people can't help being morons and thus should not form your opinion of the whole group.

Aron said...

i'm gonna run lunchblog hang up and listen to your answer when i get back.

Flyer Hater said...

I like Phoebe, because she's dated a Demon so you know she can be dirty.

Joose said...

Stoosh

You are a man of wisdom. I have thought that Dupuis and Ruu would be back, but that doesn't mean I don't doubt it. (I am a worrier.) I disregard any talk involving disagreement with Therrien. Ruutu, especially, does not seem like the kind of guy who would leave a team simply because he's not everyone's best friend. He just seems like he wants to play hockey, do his part, and that is it. That's how it should be. I'm glad there aren't too many insane rumors flying around about him, because it would drive me nuts.

Joose said...

Raybin

That is what I like to see....as long as there isn't a "1500" after it.

Dr. Turkleton said...

joose...

maybe Stooshie is more accurate??

Stilly said...

@aron

Not to be a dick.. but this is not the place. This is a Penguins hockey blog. If you want to debate religion's place in politics, then go find a blog that discusses it.

If you want to discuss who the Pens should pickup to play LW on the first line.. by all means, rant on.

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