Sunday, June 22, 2008

Fiesta Liarcana?

One last time.......



Hossa was all talk about taking less cash money.
Not a man of his word.

But maybe he is. He still might stay.
You've left your girlfriend or boyfriend's house all in a huff more than once,
vowing never to speak to them again.

Next thing you know, you're watching a movie with them and having sex halfway through the movie.
Ray Shero is not going to have sex with Marian Hossa, let's just clear that up.

But Hossa is on the open market.
It needs to be repeated, Debbie Briere got 10 mil a year last year.
That instantly makes Hossa worth about 12-14 mill, if we're using that scale.

Boston and Vancouver both need that impact player.

He gave us a great ride.
He is a world-class player. And you can't blame him.

What a lot of people aren't seeing, is that not signing Hossa would allow you to pick up two big time players for the cost of one.

The price of Hossa has been estimated at 8 million dollars.
If he doesn't resign, you could easily get two top six forward for any combination of 8 million dollars.

Markus Naslund for 3.5 or 4 million a year?
Sold.

And oh yea, there is another free agent you might have heard of........




Just saying........


Go Pens

248 comments:

debrisslide said...

first? hello!

Dan said...

2nd i suck :(

jefe penguino said...

3rd. i am a turd.

Dan said...
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debrisslide said...

btw, if you guys are so concerned about page load times. . .why the slideshows?

Dan said...

Anyone figure out how to skip like a week and a half so i can stop learning how to create stomach ulcers?

and sorry for the multipost i still suck :(

jefe penguino said...

storeblog flash makes me want to buy buy buy!

Pensblog Staff said...

debri--

Just trying stuff out

debrisslide said...

I guess I shouldn't complain. . .around 5AM is probably the best time to do stuff like that.

Kat said...

I'm still holding out hope on Hossasignswithusanywayandthiswholethingisbullshitblog, because I relly have grown fond of him and it would suck if he turned out to be a big douche.

Joe said...

I still hit play on that damn video and read the post every time...

jefe penguino said...

the weird part about this movie Dead Clowns so far is that not once has someone screamed, yelled for help, or fought back as they are getting slaughtered. not a sound. and judging by the rest of the film, that type of speech probably couldnt fit in the budget.. much like hossa.

we all might look like a bunch of whimpering dawsons if we dont re-sign somebody soon!

onesizedrummer said...

resign Jagr, win 3rd and 4th cup, and then retire his number next to lemieux


-FritoWill

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Jasper said...

hossa, jagr, naslund, ...
good hockeyplayers
let's see what will happen
with hossa u got a solid winger
without u got some spare cash to spend
I'm sure shero will take care of it

Christina said...

In Shero We Trust.

rick said...

Marian: don't say it, if you don't mean it. It makes you look like a jerk.

Raybin said...

Please, please, please don't re-sign Jagr. He's a short-term fix only and carries a ton of baggage the team doesn't need to carry for him. Harmony needs to be the locker room watchword.

Naslund? Awesome. Stillman? All for it. Ryder? If he can be had for a reasonable price, go for it.

Did I hear talk during the draft that the Canucks are looking to unload one of the Sedin's? Daniel would look awful good playing next to Sid. I could be making that up, though.

I thought I also heard draft day talk that if the Sharks re-sign Brian Campbell, they're going to have to unload Patrick Marleau. Though I can scarcely imagine he'll be willing to play second-fiddle to Sid. Even if you move Staal up to be one of Sid's winger, I don't think you could justify making Marleau a third line center with his salary. So we can probably forget about him.

As for where Hossa might go....as sickening as the thought is, don't count out the Rangers. He could do untold amounts of good for them, and I think they may have the room to sign him if they unload Jagr and Stratka.

The Bruins will be signing Blake Wheeler, so will they have the cap space? I would've thought Montreal would've wanted to pounce on Hossa, but since they'll be paying Alex Tanguay almost 6 million, I can't imagine they'll be able to afford Hossa's price tag.

Speaking of Hossa's price tag, if he leaves, he will likely be wildly overpaid. Evgeni Malkin, who may be (and someday in the not too distant future will certainly become) the best hockey player on the planet, will sign an extension likely worth 8 to 8.5 million a year. I adore Marian Hossa, but he is not worth that much and especially not more.

Sid will make about 9 million. Alex Ovechkin makes just over 9.5 mil. There's no way you can justify paying Marian Hossa that much. Though there are enough dumbass GM's out there that almost certainly someone will.

Incidentally, these prices expose what a fucking joke of an organization the Flyers are for paying Briere as much as they do.

Anyway....Hossa has to think. I am positive he won't go to a joke organization. But surely there is some team that is or will be with him a contender that will pony up 8million.

Does he leap into the unknown for a (comparatively) slight pay increase? Or does he stay with the sure thing in Pittsburgh for less money than he might command elsewhere? He's also playing with two of the top 5 NHL talents here in Pittsburgh...no other team can offer him that.

Let me put it another way:

Penguins fans went out and dug up a weird-ass video by some dude named Rex Gildo with a chorus that just happened to be "HOSSA! HOSSA! HOSSA!"

The people at the Mellon Arena then picked it up and played that chorus to celebrate his scoring a goal.

Not many other cities have the fanbase or team culture that would do that for him.

How important is an intangible thing like that to Marian Hossa? I guess time will tell.

Raybin said...

Hossaleavingupsideblog:

You can afford to re-sign Bugsy and just about anyone else you might want AND can snag a badass free agent or two. Or afford to pull off a blockbuster trade. With Hossa, Shero's pretty much locked into what he has on hand to work with.

Russell Lucas said...

Love the thought of an old times/new times line of Naslund/Bing/Jagr, but Bing's gonna be the only one playing defense.

rick said...

Nothing matters to Hossa's agent but the MONEY. Period. THE MONEY. And I'm starting to think that Hossa's agent is running the show here, not Hossa's brain.

Hossa's agent doesn't care about chants, doesn't care about fans, doesn't care about linemates, doesn't care about winning. Hossa's agent cares about----what?----MONEY.

And Marian's too much of a putz to overrule him.

Raybin said...


And Marian's too much of a putz to overrule him.


This is a nice distillation of the whole affair. Is Hossa a putz or not?

It's tempting to cast Winter as the evil genius here, but Hossa is an adult who can make his own decisions. Somehow I doubt Winter has the powers of hypnotism.

afro2cool said...

I agree, I think Hossa's agent is pushing him hard to go for more money. I don't know why Hossa doesn't drop his ass for making a fool of him in the media.

Loser Chris said...

I'm glad someone else is on board with the idea of Double J as Plan B.

Jasper said...

put me down for naslund

PittHockey said...

If we sign Jagr, I will continue to boo him.

Stoosh said...

I think Whitney did an interview right around the deadline and he was asked to address the rumors that Jagr wanted to come back. He said something to the effect that he wasn't sure how introducing a personality like Jagr's would affect the locker room, and then said, paraphrasing, "There isn't one person in this room who is a prima donna, so I don't think bringing a guy like him in is a great idea."

Something like that. He definitely inferred that Jagr is a prima donna and might not assimilate well into the locker room.

Who knows? At this point in his career, Jagr would be the passenger on the plane and not the pilot. He was a decent teammates for all but one season in Pittsburgh, by all accounts. And he's the reason I primarily became a diehard Pens fan in the mid-1990s. I'd love to see him back because I've always been a fan of his.

But I think guys like Naslund (who said he wants to play for a contender), Stillman...I think those guys make a little more sense.

Stoosh said...

As far as Hossa and his agent go, I think Winter is driving the bus on this one. Winter's got the biggest free agent on this block this summer and he doesn't want to be cast as the guy who told his client to take less...that's not going to sell well when he's trying to recruit new players.

That said, Hossa could always tell him to fuck off like Kasparaitis did with his agent when he extended his deal with the Pens more than a few years back.

I don't know how the Rangers are mentioned as suitors for Hossa. If they spend money on him, that's fine...they'll still have the same craptastic defense in front of Lundqvist.

What scares me is the idea of Hossa going to Detroit.

Hip said...

dan - you're limited to one sad face per c-blog discussion per day.

Re: Hossa - is it wrong that I just don't care? Yeah, he was great in the playoffs, he said the right thing, I jammed to Fiesta a few times. But I just have no strong feelings towards the guy. I think we can find a Sykora type winger for Sid and maybe have some $$$ leftover to resign Free Candy too.

Re: Jagr - No. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Under NO circumstances. I don't give a shit if he was fucking Mother Teresa in a previous life. He destroyed the Capitals locker room and there is nothing to say that he won't do the same if he comes back here. Whit is right. There's no room for an ego on this team and he has a giant one. That's the sole reason he's never won a Cup on his own - he can't get his head out of his own ass long enough to be a real leader.

NO.

Dan said...

29th

jagr = jagoff

bring back malone

gary roberts

i will boo jagr if he comes back. would rather have straka.

bring in two other guys. there's a lot to pick from.

hossa = greedy douche

pearl jam

offtodcblog

Raybin said...

I don't know how the Rangers are mentioned as suitors for Hossa.

That was entirely my brainstorm and it proceeds from the fact that they don't have a dangerous sniper like Hossa, who could help take their team to another level.

You are right though when you say that they should probably spend that money on defense.

Did I hear that they were thinking of bringing Melichar in? PLEASE let it be true.

Brett said...

If Hossa leaves I will not be surprised we should have known comming into the off season that reasigning him would take an act of god. Now we all just have our hopes up becasue of rumors that may or may not have even been true in the first place.

However thats not even the scariest part of this whole affair. The idea of resigning Jagr is a frightening one. I personally have never booed Jagr as he was a vital part of winning our two cups. But he is not the type of player that we want on the Penguins right now. He is the type of player that needs to be the man, that needs to wear the C. I'm also not sold on what his locker room attitude is like. The Penguins need guys that will do their job and will help the younger guys grow into great hockey players. Not a locker room cancer.

stokes said...

I'd be interested in knowing how much they offered Malone, so I can figure outwhat a low ball price is. I woudn't sign him for more than $3.5 mil/year. obviously, if they don't resign Hossa, that frees up some cash to sign Malone. But, King Shero knows what he's doing and isn't going to overpay for Malone. So, i think the two are mutually exclusive.

Jasper said...

I'm just hoping roberts will come back for another season!
he's such a big influence!
in the series vs detroit
where roberts was on the bench and sitting right next to him was talbot,
roberts said something,
talbot nodded
and then talbot scored his amazing goal! coincidence? don't think so

owkay if I hear the jagr talk, that'd be bad, we don't want that therefor we don't want him on the team

Just excited to see what will happen
in Shero I trust

J-Dub said...

Maybe Shero should have sex with him if it means he'll stay haha

Doppler said...
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Chubs said...

@j-dub

I'm not positive that'll have the desired effect. Then again, I've been wrong before.

Doppler said...

If Hossa leaves it will be a disappointment but we all knew this could happen. If he stays great but if he leaves it will hopefully be to a team in the western conference.

On the topic of Jagr it was great when he was here 90% of the time. Do I want to see him back in a Pens jersey. Not really. I think he would disrupt the team chemistry we have now. Besides I don't think he would be willing to come here.

I say go younger.

Naslund would be solid.

I have faith in Shero.

Sakic19 said...

Look, if Ho$$a wants to leave, let him...he can get on this ride and still be wealthy beyond all our dreams, win some cups, be a HOF'er, and be loved by the millions....and millions of Gary's fans...or ...

He can go to New York...with the most fucked up owner in all of sports, lose in the first round of the playoffs, wonder what might have been as he is watching the NHL network as they unveil the new Pens Dynasty Blue-Ray edition in twenty years, and be spit at, shit on, and ass-raped by the wonderful and "talented" New York media and their shit eating fans...

If 7.5 million is not enough to live on...then fuck his green hart..

For some reason I can see his agent right now sitting on a bean bag chair wearing just a pair of dockers eating a bag of cheetos off of his chest chuckling like Dr. Giggles...

GwinTheEskimo said...

These are good problems to have, worrying about Hossa, or Malone leaving and having to retool around two of the best players in the league, as opposed to the franchise leaving.

demondg1 said...

As much as I'd love to see Double J back and finish his career as a Penguins, I just can't see Shero doing it. You don't bring in a known locker room cancer to a notoriously awesome Penguin dressing room.

Laura said...

Honestly, this doesn't surprise me that much seeing his comments here in Atlanta about how much he enjoyed playing here. The difference is that the Thrashers had absolutely NO direction last year (ok, we sucked) and I totally understood why it wasn't about the money for him - who wants to get paid to be humiliated on a nightly basis?

But with the Pens? You guys rock... why would he NOT want to stay there - he's not going to get much more than you are paying him anywhere else worth his salt, and he's not going to play in a better town.

Hoss's still one of my faves, but come ON. I just don't get this BS.

Fleury29 said...

Seeing 68 in the black and gold again doesn't make me as sick to my stomach as I thought it might. He's no spring chicken, though and he's moody. How might he react to not being the superstar he once was in Pittsburgh? I don't know if the risk on morale is worth it.

Naslund and Jagr back in their old stomping ground? Hmmm... Maybe.

dhudzin said...

If the Pens sign Jagr I will vomit. Straka's also dangerously close to being in that same boat, although we all know he isn't as big of a dick as Jags is. Was thinking about his crying in the playoffs. Just saying.

IMO, let Bugsy go either way. While I'll agree it's unfortunate he feels betrayed by management, he's asking for entirely too much money. And that's OK. He has some upside, but not a ton. This will most likely be his only chance to cash in big, and who can blame him? To put it into perspective, you'd have to pay more for him than you would Free Candy. Is that a joke?

If Hossa stays, done deal. If not, you look into signing some sexy wingers for less than you would have paid Hossa, lock in Geno for the long-term, and still have enough money left to sign Staal and Fleury next year.

Either way, the Pens will be the toast of the East.

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TheNWChica said...

Is the Naslund talk really that serious? If it is, I think it would be good for Steve to have a guy whose been captain in the locker room.

It's not quite the same, but I know having Capt. Canuck at Nazzy's side the last few years had to have helped.

Please don't bring back 68...he can still play, but I think too many bridges are in ashes.

Brett said...

@brett:

whoa, whoa, whoa. There can't be two of us. have you been posting under this name for a while?

jefe penguino said...

Please don't bring back 68...he can still play, but I think too many bridges are in ashes.

and there are A LOT of bridges in pittsburgh. ixnay on the jagger eh.

i wish i was not awake.

Stoosh said...

@ Raybin -

Oh, I wasn't even referencing your Rangers mention. I've seen the Rangers listed as potential suitors for Hossa from some mainstream media websites...even TSN. The most common ones I see are Boston, Vancouver, the Rangers and Detroit. I just don't see how he winds up in New York, but that's always been a franchise that just can't help themselves, so who knows.

Stoosh said...

@ NWChica -

There's all the talk about Naslund selling his house and possibly moving on from Vancouver as they seem to be a team in a bit of a transition between eras.

I'll have to find the link, but there was something printed last week speculating that winning was a much bigger concern for Naslund than money. Yes, we've heard that before, but Naslund at this stage may be closer to a Sykora-level signing than a Hossa-level signing.

I'd love to see Naslund here, just for his leadership abilities and what he could bring to the offense.

AmericanHero269 said...

Alright, so if we lose Hossa(which sucks for both him and his agent), who can we get?

Naslund? I think he's better suited playing with Marian and Sid because of the lack of defense.

Jagr? My guess is that his baggage is too much for anyone to want.

I think that we just need someone to play with Sid and Gino, and Hossa is the best fit. July 1st cannot get here soon enough. Until then, Go Pens.

Ho$$a

floridapens said...

like i was saying in prior posts nasland straka satan all real options
jager would be silly
and dhudzin brought up brian rolston another solid value pick up

hossa would in the long run be declining returns 4 years from now and his #s are slipping and crosby is peaking
do we want that bloated 7+ million a year anchor tied around the pens neck
let hossa go
he will go back to being the player that stuggled producing with a kovalchuk as a line mate
and being a no show in the playoffs...
for that matter what ever team is silly enough to pay him what 10 million a year..he should cut sid a % for that money cause sid had everything to do with hossa
playing well ,hell sid just about spoon feed the guy

TheNWChica said...

@stoosh: I saw that about Naz selling his house. I think that with Nonis gone and now Trevor, he might just decide to make a clean break and go somewhere else. As much as I'll miss him with VAN, I think it would be the best thing for him. He's still got some good stuff left in him and I think a change of scenery would help him tremendously.

Flyer Hater said...

From last night's c-blog

"@ Flyer Hater -

Want an instant headache?

Go over to LGP.com and check out the "Hossa to Test the UFA Market" thread."

Stoosh, I'd rather get hit over the head with Al Roker's frying pan than read that.

Flyer Hater said...

If you think bringing back Malone over Jaromir Jagr is the better move if it came down to that, you just don't know what you're talking about.

Flyer Hater said...

dhudzin wrote,

"If the Pens sign Jagr I will vomit."

YOU=JOKE

Do you even remember what he did for this franchise? How many years he single-handedly put the Penguins in the playoffs? How many times he saved the Penguins from moving out of town by putting the franchise on his back? How he kept this franchise relevant when all signs were pointing for disaster?

I'm sorry, for those who have this blind rage for Jagr and would never accept him back, I don't get you.

This is for all the people that remember his goal against the Blackhawks in 92, for all who remember Art Ross seasons, for all who his insane goal against the Flyers in 97.

Jagr=Franchise Legend
You=Disgrace to the Uniform

Flyer Hater said...

demondog,

Where is the proof that Jagr is a locker room cancer? Some people are willing to take a shot at a no-talent bum like Sean Avery but won't take Jagr back because all the 7th defensemen and 4th liners didn't like him and labeled him a "cancer"

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BlacknGold66 said...

Can someone point me in the direction of the video clip or reliable newspaper article (I know, oxymoron) with Hossa actually quoted saying he'd stay on The Pittsburgh Penguins for less money?


Anyone?



Didn't think so.

I still think he signs with the Pens.

But if he doesn't, it doesn't necessarily make him a liar.

It also isn't anything we didn't see coming when the trade happened.

HOWEVAH... can't knock that trade. Without it, we probably wouldn't have made it to the Finals.

Sid-Andre Malkin said...

We have to remember too that Gomez was brought in to play on Jagr's line, only to have them spilt up after virtually no production because Jagr claimed Gomez was too fast for him. Do you really think he'd be successful with Crosby then? Pretty much the fastest there is? I don't.

Still, I have to admit...i still wouldn't mind seeing him retire where it started....

floridapens said...

black and gold heres one

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_571463.html

coffeytalk said...

Sometimes players just need to keep their mouths shut. Don't give us Pens fans false hope by stating to the media that you'd looooove to stay in Pittsburgh and play for less money and then hold up. wait a minute, let's try this free agency stuff.

I don't know if it's Hossa or his agent or the amount of money it takes to highlight his hair but all of this is bullshit.

Stay.
Go.
Whatev.

I'll just have to get a new ringtone.

Flyer Hater said...

Comparing Crosby to Gomez=LMAO

Stilly said...

Boy I have to believe that if Ho$$a doesn't come back, HCMT will have to move Jordan Staal around. If fiesta is gone, you're going to have a hard time letting a talent like Jordan Staal play on the third line.

I realize he prefers Center, but he's not going to be a top 6 center on this team. Ever.

floridapens said...

and black and gold you really dont think we make it to the finals with out hossa?
id say we'd lose maybe 1-3 more games on our run but we were going to the finals no matter what

FireFox said...

Hossa testing free agency likely means he is gone. I think we should just let him go and sign Malone (if his cost is reasonable) and another Sykora-type winger. Hossa is a great player but we can't afford 8mil a year for him when we have so much other talent we need more than him.

Hip said...

flyer hater - what am I missing?

Jagr's contributions back in the late 90s get him a free ride coming back? And how he left here, what he did with the Capitals organization, and his general failure to act or play like a franchise player should not be taken into consideration?

I know all about what he did for this city. And I'm grateful. But I'm living in the present.

fleuryous said...

conflictedfeelingsblog.

I LOVE Hossa. LOVE him. But, if he were to go with someone else, then we could keep Malone and Orpik for sure...well, not for suuuuure sure, but there's definitely a bigger chance.

But I do love Hossa. AH.

I REALLY want Orpik to stay, though, giving out some major cavities.

I really do love Malone, and I've read over and over that he's "dispensable," but I love the guy. Pittsburgh through-and-through. And his passion and energy=CRAY-CRAY.

Once again,

conflictedfeelingsblog.


And if Jagr were to come back, it wouldn't be the same without THE MULLET.

So, all in all,

HOSSAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOORPIK.

FireFox said...

One more thing, NO JAGR!!! The guy is a f'ing head case. He will cause nothing but problems for this team. But Naslund seems like a good idea.

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Sid-Andre Malkin said...

First, all i did was compare their speed, which IS comparable. Second, Crosby is 100 times better than Gomez, I'm well aware, I'm just saying Jagr isn't fast enough to play with Crosby...thats all.

Hip said...

PS - BNG, the next time you get to the Mecca, I'm bound and determined to come meet you wherever the hell that may be.

Flyer Hater said...

Hip, he scored 25 goals last year on a team that was offensively bankrupt. As we saw in the playoffs, he can still dominate and is still one of the best 1 on 1 players in hockey. Could you imagine trying to get the puck away from a line with Crosby and Jagr? I'm living in the present too.

Flyer Hater said...

"Jagr isn't fast enough to play with Crosby"

But Gary Roberts, Mark Recchi, Andy Hilbert, Colby Armstrong, etc were?

floridapens said...

damn it it wont pull the whole link LOL
ok blackn gold just to see hossa did say that google hossa says he'll stay in pittsburgh for less money

that will take you right to the pittsburghlive article where he does say what you think he didnt ever say

J.J. said...

Jagr has had his heart and his drive questioned. I don't know how much of that is because he plays in NY though, that is a tough market on its players. That said, Jagr would make the Penguins a better team. However, the Penguins didn't lose the cup because they needed more skill. I think Shero would be making a mistake bringing Jagr in. I don't know anything of his halcyon days with the Penguins, but he's been labeled as a selfish player for the past few years and the Penguins young core doesn't need someone like that.

Take a look at the Rangers teams since they last won the cup, looking only at the total skill level of the players (especially pre-cap). So why has it been so long since their last Cup, despite all the talent they've had? Personalities. You put together the legs of an olympic sprinter, the stamina of a Lance Armstrong, the arms of a bodybuilder and the hands of a surgeon, then top it all off with the brains of a stroke victim and you're not getting a winning result.

Sid-Andre Malkin said...

eh good point...I guess Crosby's superior talent makes up for the extra speed. I'm not saying i wouldn't like to see it, Jagr was and still is a beast, but i don't see it happening

TheNWChica said...

I'm having a hard time reading and understanding all these comments of anger about Hossa.

Dudes...he never ever ever promised to stay with the Pens. We knew this was a rental player situation from the beginning.

He said that he wanted to take less money to play for a winner, and I hate to say it but as great as the Pens are and will be; they're not the only winning franchise.

Maybe we should focus on the embarrassment of riches we still have like 2 of the top 5 players in the league and just sit back and watch the parade. Being so upset is not going to change a damn thing; and after the 1st we might end up being surprised at what happens.

J.J. said...

As for Hossa to Detroit? I seriously doubt that rumor. If Hossa wants a cup so badly that he's willing to be grossly underpaid for his talent, then he may very well sign a one-year deal with the Wings. Ken Holland does have some cap space to play with in this upcoming year, but he's going to be more worried about keeping Franzen and Filppula happy, as both of their deals run out after next season and I foresee him pushing to get Ryan Miller when he becomes an RFA in summer 2009.

Hossa could get overpaid elsehwere, but his best bet for making good money and having a good chance at winning the cup would be to stay with Pittsburg.

Flyer Hater said...

I don't know how anyone who watched some of the playoff performances that Jagr has turned in over the years can question his heart and desire. Watch the Pens/Caps 4OT game again. He was nearly tackled on every shift by Mark Tinordi and kept on coming back time after time to get good scoring chances.

coffeytalk said...

I'm not angry at or with Hossa. I am whatev about him. I knew from the moment that Shero brought him in here that it probably wouldn't be for very long.

If he does re-sign, good, great! If not, no biggie. I think we'll manage.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

completely agree coffeytalk. and to be honest, the more i think about it/hear about possibilities, the less I like about him staying (for future purposes).

Everyone has their own opinion on the situation but you have to think what is best for the team next year and also in the long run.

I can't even imagine Jagr coming back. Yes, he has done a lot for the pens in the past...but this isn't the past anymore. People hate on him and he is constantly booed at the arena. If i were him, I would not want to return to a former team. But that's just me.

Flyer Hater said...

Jagr has said many times that he wouldn't mind returning to Pittsburgh to end his career so thing will end up "right"

Anyway, Jagr can't hear you. He's got two Stanley Cup rings plugging his ears.

BlacknGold66 said...

@Floridapens: Here's how to make a hyperlink so I can see what you're talking about.

Hyperlink Help

BlacknGold66 said...

Keeping Malone at this point may be completely out of the question regardless of whether or not Hossa stays or goes.

No matter how much you love him, Malone isn't worth what he's asking, or what he's gonna get.

At the same time... Jagr isn't the answer.

The Big K said...

CBLOG ALL STARS. This month.

UP FRONT
Flyer Hater- first TWO comments a few posts pick
Stoosh- a model of consistency
Jeff Penguino- very solid work, good points

ON D
Raybin- very nice links, I like it.
Fleury29- extremely rational thinking

IN GOAL
Racheleyos- first comments are not easy to get.

Those who didn't make it, keep plugging.

The Big K said...

Add BNG66 on the bench. We need positive thinkers.

Flyer Hater said...

BNG 66 is Julie "The Cat" Gaffney. You know he'll do something huge, he just has to wait his turn.

stokes said...

Flyer hater: i'm with you on the Jagr boat. But i still don't see Shero doing the deal, unless its seriously for a third of what Jags is making now...

Floridapens: in that article, he doesn't specifically say "the Pittsburgh Penguins," he says

"I hope I can stick with a great team like this. ...

There's always a limit, but I'd rather take a little less and play on a good team, definitely."

Detroit is "a great team like this." Montreal has the ability to be "a great team like this."

Maybe we're all reading between the lines too much, but he never said flat out, "I'd like to stay with the Penguins, even if i have to take less cash."

Even as awesome as he was this spring, in 7 years, is Hossa still going to be the player that he is today? That's a lot of money to be paid for someone only putting up half or a third of their usual point output. Ask the Rangers (speaking of Jagr).

RaCHeLeYoS said...

thanks big K for the honors! lol!

floridapens said...

blackngold ha ha im a lil short bus
on the hyper link LOL
i'll work on that!!
but like i was saying just google scroll it...he says it very clearly

his comments
If I wanted to make a couple more dollars, I would probably just re-sign with Atlanta," said Hossa, whose 12 goals and 26 points in the playoffs were exactly what the Penguins were seeking when they acquired him from the Thrashers on Feb. 26. "But I'm glad Pittsburgh got me here. This was a fun journey for myself, and a great experience. I hope I can stick with a great team like this. ...

"There's always a limit, but I'd rather take a little less and play on a good team, definitely."

thats him pretty much leading everone to believe he'd stay for less

Party of Ruutu said...

BnG66- video

Hossa: I hope I can stick in a great team like this.
Reporters: So there's a chance that you might maybe take a little less $$$ to stay here and play?
Hossa: There's always a limit, but I'd rather take a little less then play on a good team. Definitely.

Are you asking if he made a statement exactly how you worded it? No. Then you have to consider that English isn't his first language, and "like this" may mean a number of things. But the word definitely isn't all that vague.

As coffeytalk and other have said, it wasn't necessary for him to get our hopes up. But then, maybe someone had a gun to his navel off camera.

Dan 2 said...

Worse case scenario is the Pens get burned waiting for Hossa while he "makes sure" and then signs elsewhere.

So what's to stop the Pens from allowing teams to talk to him now?- that way Hossa gets the info he wants and the Pens don't get completely hosed July 1.

Stoosh said...

For what it's worth...

I have to try to find the link, but there were a few different reports just after the Cup Finals that said Hossa would consider taking a less-than-market-value deal to remain with a contender.

But I don't believe Hossa ever said he would definitely take less and frankly, I hoped but never expected Hossa to take what the Pens offered him...not with a guy like Winter calling the shots. Hossa is the top free agent dog this summer, and I've got to think some team out there is going to give him in the neighborhood of $8.5M a year...maybe more.

With all due respect to Hossa, that's too much given all the other considerations this team has along with the other available options.

THAT SAID...

I absolutely do not think this makes retaining Malone the next best option, unless it's done at a salary that works for the Pens. Malone is going to command somewhere between $4.5 million and $6 million per year this summer, and that's too steep a price for the Pens to pay. Just because Malone is going to be paid to be an elite player doesn't mean he is one.

If the Pens believe the most Malone is worth to them is $4.5M per year, offer him that and see if he takes it. If not, sayonara. There are cheaper alternatives out there...the only issue is that some of them may be unproven (Stone, Caputi).

If Hossa and Malone both leave, it doesn't mean Shero failed anything. We gave up one potential impact player to get Hossa and even that's a stretch given that Esposito's stock seems to be dropping like a rock.

Each of those players was going to command huge money on the market by their virtues. Hossa is an eite talent who was expected all along to go to test the July 1 waters. Malone elevated his game and played his way into becoming a hot commodity, and unfortunately for Pens fans, he probably doubled his value on the market.

Maybe Shero made a mistake by not locking Malone up prior to the 2007-08 season (and as I said yesterday, we don't know that he didn't try), but trying to outprice the rest of the market to retain Malone as some sort of buffer for losing Hossa would be a much more significant mistake. As I said yesterday, it's something Dave Littlefield would do.

If Hossa and Malone go, whatever. Thanks for the memories. I'll gladly embrace the new players that are brought in as replacements.

AmericanHero269 said...

Am I the only one excited about a possible Wade Brookbank to the Pens possibility?

AmericanHero269 said...

above comment^=joke.

TheFandangler said...

You got it Stoosh...

...We'll move on no matter what guys are brought in.

Go PENS!

TheFandangler said...

Wade Brookbank?... I was thinking Wade Belak...

floridapens said...

stoosh i agree getting malone to the 4 mil.just sub 4 mil mark is what the pens really need
if not good bye to romance
malone is gone
maybe another try from shero would be nice to show good will..
other wise we will just be bidding at some other teams over priced option...and that just no bueno

BlacknGold66 said...

I'm looking for the "I want to stay in Pittsburgh even if I have to take less money," quote.

Not some quote that was dissected for two weeks by fans and the media alike.

Besides, do you really think he was trying to get people's hopes up? Honestly?

I don't think it's "necessary" for us to read in to every quote the man says.

Not-to-mention that he said that in the "Break-up" day media slew at the Igloo. THAT has to be taken in to account.

I personally said all sorts of whacky shit in the days following Game 6 of the 2008 SCF.

My point is that none of this makes Hossa a liar... it also doesn't mean HE got anyones hopes up.

We may have just done that ourselves.

BlacknGold66 said...

For the love of Gary, Floridapens make a cohesive sentance.


This may help


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

TheFandangler said...

Hooked on Phonics monkey...

Flyer Hater said...

FloridaPens, Evgeni Malkin on crack is more understandable than you.

wilsmith said...

actually, the rangers fans dug up fiesta mexicana and had the MSG staff playing it for Marcel. they even chanted hossa. someone posted the video in cblog months before shero traded for hossa.

every fanbase is awesome when the teams winning.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

lol BNG.

floridapens said...

flyerhater only you would know that!!

if i knew you guys came with red markers to correct my misspelling or grammer i never wouldnt bother to correct what you said blackngold
i thaught this was about content not grammer sorry

cause you were wrong about his intentions and now your making crap up to explain why he would have mis lead fans and the team
yeah, he'll say anything cause it was break up day?
are you for real?

and as for this quote
"HOWEVAH... can't knock that trade. Without it, we probably wouldn't have made it to the Finals."
and your eluting to me being stupid
ya yinzer

stokes said...
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sh0ez said...

I still have faith in Hossa re-signing with the Pens. As it's been proven, he did say he wouldn't mind taking a little less to stay on a competitive team. However, he also said there's a limit. I dunno. I still think Winter had a lot to do with this. Also, Hossa may have been thinking about money too much on his little Bahama trip. Oh well. I love the guy. He was a great asset in our cup run with an amazing play by Shero. I'll have to change a lot of stuff around on the internet, though. Hah. Oh well. Here's to me still hoping . . .



Hossa.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

cause you were wrong about his intentions and now your making crap up to explain why he would have mis lead fans and the team
yeah, he'll say anything cause it was break up day?


it's not about saying anything after break-up day. that's how he felt weeks ago. i'm sure he is looking differently at the situation now that it is closer.

Flyer Hater said...

FloridaPens, I don't expect you to be a latter-day Shakespeare. In the same token, I don't want to take Aspirin after everyone one of your posts.

J.J. said...

I think, if the Pen's general manager does a good job in this offseason getting people like Hossa, Naslund, or even Jagr, then he should earn himself a new nickname:

Jukebox Shero
(he has stars in his eyes)

debrisslide said...

aspirin = not a brand name

I can't believe anyone actually thinks that Jagr is a possibility. . .something about that just seems ridiculous.

Flyer Hater said...

Debriss=JOke

Hip said...

@BNG - I chuckled!

@floridapens - content is greatly appreciated, but we all don't have time to decipher your own personal Rosetta Stone. Type in Word first if you have to.

Also, hockey is a business. Let's not act like Shero and Hossa are having a lover's spat here.

BlacknGold66 said...

i dont see what the big deal is flyerhater why can't you read this sentance is it not good enough for you mr. i'm too good fer people
sorry
the pens wouldn't have made the finals that
black and gold guy seriously? christiansen would've
had at least
a goal a nite in the playoffs and colbys backchecking was unreal are you serious really honestly

my cats breath smells like cat food

debrisslide said...

aw flyer hater. way to own me!

TheNWChica said...

@debris: Actually in Canada, Aspirin is a brand name.

TheNWChica said...

@FLAPens: I am not busting your chops at all...I have to agree with using Word or something. Spell check is your friend, as is the grammar check.

Since we're not able to speak to you in person, when you type with proper sentence structure and spelling, it not only makes your entries easier to read, but you sound like an intelligent adult.

debrisslide said...

I don't even know why I mentioned it. . .I did a paper once on brand names becoming generic terms. Sorry! I wasn't trying to correct anyone. Just kind of tired.

TheNWChica said...

@debris: I wasn't trying to be snotty...that was just an FYI post.

jefe penguino said...

@floridapens -just use some darn punctuation like commas and periods. and stop hitting enter at random places during your sentences. your last comment was a little better.

@everyone -youre all invited to my pool party!

and whats this i hear about hossa not signing the dotted line with us yet? gasp.

jefe penguino said...

@bigk -thanks for the nod. my skills are about as good as any sneaky fuckin russian (ie throwing the puck in the net, ahem, malkin).

but im still shopping the open market out here. my agent is a dick.. i have to go, Mr. Winters says i cannot discuss contracts at this time..

Stilly said...

soccerblog

Watching Italy play is more boring than watching the Devils.

eileenover said...

Jagr is an incredible player, we all know that. But the guy's a serious headcase and that will affect everything in a negative way. I say no to Jagr.

wilsmith said...

Do people here hang out in the Rangers locker room?

KJ said...

i love jagr. he was my fav pen for years and he's still my fav non pen. i felt bad for the guy as it seemed like whatever he said was never really good enough for some people (though it seemed some of those people were just upset cause he wasn't mario). then there is the talk about him being a cancer in the locker room but i don't know about all that as i was never in the locker room with him. and really, who wouldn't be upset to be in the caps org during that time when they did nothing else to build around him? you ain't winning with zubrius, an old bondra, and kolzig just cause you bring in jagr. my belief is tedy was always waiting to win a good lottery before he did anything to change that team majorly.

that said, while he is still a force to be reckoned with unless he comes here on the cheap, shero won't do it. he's at a cross roads in his life where he knows his career is coming to an end and will be deciding here or europe. no matter which he chooses, he'll be questioning his decision this season (esp since reporters will ask him over and over). also we need future and while jagr will be 36-37 this up coming season, add to that his chronic groin issues and it can be a set back. we can't have another major injury season like we did this season and expect everything to be OK.

where ever he goes though, i wish him luck and will never forget some of those seasons where if it wasn't for him, we may not be seeing what we are today, at least not in pittsburgh

Kat said...

@stilly, WORD. Italy is mad frustrating. Vamos Spain. Freaking overtime...

jc said...

No player is worth more than Crosby.. to hell with Liarcana... i would much rather see Straka back than double J... thats just me

RedWings said...

J.J. said...
I think, if the Pen's general manager does a good job in this offseason getting people like Hossa, Naslund, or even Jagr, then he should earn himself a new nickname:

Jukebox Shero
(he has stars in his eyes)


6/22/2008 3:24 PM


Classic. Crack me up.

Jasper said...

hahaha, go shero

Jawsh said...

If signing JJ means that I can once again have Jagr's Peanut Butter in my house, then yeah...count me in.

fleuryous said...

COME ON, HO$$A.

If he doesn't sign,

:(blog.


But I don't want anyone else to have him. haha

I've said it multiple times, but I'll say it again:

ORPIIIIIIIIIIIK.

dhudzin said...

@ flyerhater

I will still vomit if we sign Jagr.

Party of Ruutu said...

lol @ how snippy people have been over the last few weeks.

BnG66- no one said he intentionally tried to manipulate fans. The point was, we wish he hadn't said anything like that. tPB staff called him liarcana, so I suppose your beef is with them. But idk and I don't really care that much.

Hi, my name is _____ said...

Only way I see Hossa coming back is if the only offers he gets are from like... the Panthers, Coumbus, Nashville, teams that no one, particularly not him, wants to play for.

Oh, and that things about the ex and the movie, that part of the break up rules.

Flyer Hater said...

I hope Hossa goes to Florida, Vokoun will probably burn his house down if he doesn't score 70 goals.

daismog said...

The way the announcement was worded, I have to assume that Hossa is willing to take what Shero offered, just not ready.

Go back to the way he worded his comments before. "There's always a limit, but I'd rather take a little less then play on a good team." What is that limit? If the reports are accurate and Shero offered 7 million/season, would he take 7.5 to go to the Rangers? 8 to go to the Kings? 10 to go to the Oilers?

Same as with Malone, I don't begrudge him his money. These guys face (generally) short careers, and a constant threat of injury.


I would love to see Hossa in the black and gold next season. If he's not there, it might cost the team some in terms of top-end firepower, but the trade-off could be better scoring depth.

Either way, it's going to be an exciting season.

I Have Kasparaitis said...

Wow, interesting today ...

@BigK: I'll keep working on my form. Maybe I'll get the nod for the team soon.

Anger at Hossa is ridiculous right now, he said he'd consider taking less money but that's not set in stone. His agent of course is directing him, but come on, his agent isn't the devil and Hossa is making the decision as well. @Stoosh, thank you for the Kaspar reference ... I was considering using it, but I talk him up too much. Agents are to advise and help direct the player into what is best for him, and the player is the deciding factor.

I have loved Jagr (and for a year was upset with him ...) but do we honestly think he is right for the team? He's talented, of course, but his return seems like something that shouldn't happen. He is still having issues with staying with the Rangers and thinking about going to Russia and possibly play with his buddy, Kaspar. I don't think it's realistic for either the Pens or Jagr. Maybe it's me ... I have been wrong a lot ...

RandomlyMeBlog:
I feel like I'm the biggest jinx first the Pens, next Baby Pens, and now Italy ... I should give up for a while ...

Did anyone hear the announcers during the Italy/Spain game? They reminded me of the Bibster ...

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TheNWChica said...

Bienvenidos Eduardo. ¿Que es su paĆ­s?

Stilly said...

@IHK

That last penalty kick is why Cesc Fabregas is a big deal. Cesc is the man.

eileenover said...

Is anyone else watching the Olympic trials?

I Have Kasparaitis said...

@stilly: If only Pirol played!! We would had 2 goals with him and Gattuso in action because they basically make the team ... Luca Toni disappointed me today as well as Di Natale ... Zambrotta played a great game, though. Villa still annoys me .. quit crying and actually play.

What was with the Spanish earlier? Ich spreche Deutsch und Englisch. Ich spreche Spanisch nicht.

BlacknGold66 said...

@Party of Ruuuuuuu: I have no beef with anyone. I'm just saying that people shouldn't take something someone says and decifer it to mean something that it doesn't.

Like I said, if Hossa had blatently come out and said "I'm willing to take less money [than other teams would offer me] to stay on the Penguins," then I would understand why everyone's so upset.

It's going to be a moot point when he signs with us anyway.

Kat said...

@ihk, Villa annoys the crap out of me too, and I was fully rooting for Spain. Cesc is a big deal. And Iker was freaking clutch. I am a little miffed about them pulling Nando, but I guess whatever you gotta do you gotta do.

Flyer Hater said...

eileen, I'd rather watch Lethal Weapon 4 than sit through the Olympic Trials.

eileenover said...

flyer hater, I've just always been a fan of gymnastics since I used to take it.

coffeytalk said...

a random note:

i was at the home grown hoo-ha last night with performances from The Gathering Field, Donnie Iris & the Cruisers, and The Clarks. (yep, i sure am a pittsburgh girl)

The Clarks played Born Too Late and Scott Blasey added a new verse to it:

Gino show me how you do that thing
and Hossa will you ever wear that ring?
and Sidney all the joy and love you bring
I was born too late...

it was wonderful. and donnie iris still can wail. unbeliebable.

KJ said...

eileen, i'll def watch gymnastics during the olympics, but i cannot watch the trials. i'd feel too bad for the kids who don't make it. plus my fav romanian gymnist retired some years ago

eileenover said...

@kj

I just need to watch something haha. Life without hockey is driving me insane.

eileenover said...

Ok, I need to know which location would be the best out of Robinson and Cranberry for QS&Lblog. I honestly don't care which, please just pick one.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

Cranberry is my vote

Christina said...

@ coffeytalk

That's awesome!! Born Too Late is one of my favorite Clarks songs, wish I could have heard that verse.

Stilly said...

ESPN story about the new Russian hockey league..

ESPN.com

Quote by Wayne Gretzky when asked if he had any concerns about the new league:

"Forget concerns. I wish they were around when I was playing," said Gretzky, coach and managing partner of the Phoenix Coyotes.

"My goodness, it's a big decision for [Malkin]," Gretzky said. "Financially, it's incredible. You get a chance to go back to your home country. On the other side of it, you get to play with one of the best players in the National Hockey League in Crosby. ... In some ways it's overwhelming, to be honest with you."


Gretzky = Greedy

Buries it > Gretzky

RaCHeLeYoS said...

There's a penny on the floor....

Chubs said...

@eileen

I can't watch gymnastics w/o wincing- I'm simply not capable of bending like that.


unrelatedtoho$$ablog- with all the talk about other FA's, am I the only that wants to see Dupuis back? I liked the guy, even if he forgot how to finish in the playoffs.

eileenover said...

Also, would 6:00 for QS&Lblog be good for everyone?

RaCHeLeYoS said...

that works for me lol. hopefully i can come

somechic said...

hey guys i love the pens! i spell "pittsburg" with no h, and i call cblog regulars yinzers...who am i?

I Have Kasparaitis said...

@chubs: Ehh, I like Dupuis, but it won't hurt me if he leaves. I wouldn't mind seeing his return, but I don't see him working on Sid's line ...

@stilly: I don't get it ... he works for an NHL team and he just made them sound like players are better off going there.

@kat: I have yet to encounter a fan of Villa ... I think they are on the endangered animals list ...

I can't wait for the Olympics, but it would be nice if they were earlier, so if something happens trade-wise, I can plant myself in front of the tv, not have to move, and forget about it for a while ...

Joose said...

Hossa was never on my list of top 5 players I would love to see back next year. But possibly having both him and Malone gone is somewhat saddening/scary. The reason I was never extremely fond of Hossa was because of his demeanor during interviews. When he would be asked whether or not he liked being in Pittsburgh, he kind of had "meh" answers. I thought he never sounded like he really cared about whether or not he was here, but I wish he did. We'll see what happens.

9 days left, right?

joosh1500 said...

having jagr back would be sick

pens=domination

J.S. said...

salarycapblog

been thinking about this, among other things, this weekend and figured it was time to see who is really a viable option for HossaHossaHossaHossa!!:

I'll list team and cap space, with the assumption that it is 53m. Don't expect in-depth analysis here. There's other posters in c-blog that are good for that. I'm just posting very basic observations and a few smart comments.

(Now go to the fridge and grab yourself a cold beverage. This could take awhile)

ANA - 52.1 (0.9 cap space) - In my best Ozzie Guillen voice, "Pffffft, please." Next...
PHI - 49.58 (3.32) - No chance....thank Gary!
BOS - 48.21 (6.65, including a 1.86 bonus cushion). If Hossa isn't signing for 7 mil per season, he's not signing for 6.65, and still need to sign defensemen.
DAL - 47.03 (6.182) - with only 10 forwards signed and with a bunch of free agents, I don't see this happening.
EDM - 44.69 (9.308) - several RFAs to re-sign, including Pitkanen and Stoll.
CHI - 44.33 (12.43) - still need to sign a goalie, Ladd is a RFA, and have only 5 defensemen signed.
CAL - 43.6 (9.45) - 8 forwards signed, Kipper is the only goalie signed. So 5 players with roughly 9 mil to spend? No chance. Factor in that Langkow supposedly agreed to a contract (per TSN), and that cap number decreases.
STL - 43.5 (12.32) 9 forwards signed, 5 defensemen signed. Woywitka also an unsigned RFA
CAR - 42.5 (10.4) LaRose and Jarkko's brother = unsigned.
MTL - 42.56 (11.9) This one initially had me worried once I saw the cap space. However, Kostitsyn is an RFA and is gonna want to get paid for his 26 goals. Grabovski and Gorges, also RFA. O'Byrne is also an RFA, but if he wants paid, he'll just steal another purse.
OTT - 42.32 (10.86) Hossa's return to Kanata = unlikely. Mezaros and McGrattan are RFAs, and I'm not sure where they stand on the re-signing of Wade Redden. Somebody can help me out on the waiver rules, since it appears that Emery is getting waived soon.
NJD - 42.27 (10.72) Probably the most cap room so far. No real relevant RFAs to sign (Kelly Clarkson doesn't count), but they do need at least 2 forwards to sign.


and as we get further down the list, the cap space obviously opens up....

coming in at 13th,
TOR - 41.65 (11.45) Only 9 NHL forwards signed, but didn't Hossa say he wanted to play for a winning team? Kidding aside, sort of, Wellwood and Stajan are unsigned RFA's and knowing the Leaves, they can't go a season without signing Sundin.
SJS - 41.04 (12.75) Not sure where they stand with signing Campbell, but they only have 5 D signed. Pavelski and Erhoff are both unsigned RFAs, and Roenick is not showing up as signed (either he committed or he has signed)
NAS - 40.71 (12.28) Have the room, but would he go there with the ownership problems (I'm lookin' at you, Boots!)
DET - 39.52 (13.47) Are they re-signing Stuart? Is old man Chelios returning to play a 204th season? Fillipula is a RFA? Side note: Zetterberg making 2.9 mil = a steal.
WAS - 39.45 (15.19) Green and Laich are RFAs, and the Caps are not gonna trust their team with Brent Johnson in goal, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they're gonna be looking for a starting goaltender come 7/1
BUF - 38.82 (14.18) After the way Buffalo has let free agent after free agent walk away, would this really be an option if Hossa is true to his word? Besides Bernier and Gaustad and a backup goalie need signed. However, if he did sign there, he would have a chance to play with Connolly and Kotalik, and if you're thinking I mentioned those two just so I could post that link, then you know me all too well.
FLA - forget it, I'm not even gonna entertain the thought. next...

down to the bottom 10

TB - 36.71 (16.29) Only 8 fwds signed, but Stamkos will more than likely take one of those, along with a good chunk of that 16mil with bonus clauses.
VAN - 36.58 (16.58) You have the Sedins and....Morri, oh wait, he's gone. He could skate with Naslu..., damn, he's gone too. I don't see him going from a team with the firepower that Pittsburgh had to a team that isn't even close in that dept.
MIN - 34.96 (18.58) I don't recall the Wild ever spending close to the cap. Kurtis Foster is an unsigned RFA, Rolston is a UFA that they're supposedly trying to re-sign, and if Malone is truly heading north, you can expect 4-5 mil of that cap number to be gone.
PIT - 34.21 (22.562, including bonuses) Wow, only 6 forwards signed (Cros, Geno, Talbot, Staal, Talbot, and Sykora). Fleury is also obviously unsigned and going to arbitration. I'm gonna guess 4 mil for Fleury in arbitration, so 18.5 left for the forwards. For the sake of argument, let's say King Ray offers 8 for Hossa, that leaves 10.5 mil for 5 forwards, an average of slightly over 2 mil per forward. Hall and Dupuis made well under a million, so raises could be given without breaking the bank. Laraque could be given a slight raise, as could Ruutu. As much as I worship Gary, I am not sure what he's looking for in a contract, so I'll leave that open for another time. Those numbers are also under the assumption that Free Candy signs elsewhere. Not that I want to see it, but I have a feeling somebody is gonna throw major coin at him come July.

There's a few other teams left, like teh Isles, Rags, Phoenix, Columbus, Atlanta, and LA but the one that intrigues me the most for some reason is Colorado. 26 mil in cap space, but even with re-signing Sakic and taking care of their RFAs, theres plenty of room. Plus, it's getting late and I have to be up at 430.

source for my numbers: http://www.nhlnumbers.com/compare.php?season=0809

HockeyFan7187 said...

Hossa's leaving? NOOOOOOO!!!!!

stokes said...

I love anyone who goes out of their way to post that link j.s. its probably the greatest website since thehamsterdance.com.

wilsmith said...

robinson would be possible for us.

eileenover said...

Ok so Cranberry wouldn't work for you at all?

stokes said...

Even though everyone hates him, Rossi will be on the KDKA sports showdown thing tonight, if maybe you want to hear his side of the story. the snippet i heard from him basically said that its all Winter's fault


It has been said on here before and i'll agree: i think that Winter is the problem here. Obviously, Hossa is (and should be) his own man, but I really do believe that Winter is the driving force in this farce.

akus said...

thank You, js. Sometimes with all this talk of caps/UFA's and RFA's, i get lost. Your post was very understandable

sh0ez said...

@ stokes: I watched Rossi and Cook on that program last week. I wanted to vomit. Laird from ESPN Radio was tolerable.

@ eileen: Me and my girl may come out for QS&Lblog, but we can only do Robinson.

eileenover said...

@shoez

Thanks for letting me know. It looks like it will probably be Robinson, but not for sure yet.

sh0ez said...

And stokes, I still firmly agree that Hossa's agent is behind all of this. Maybe Hossa tests the waters, so to speak, just to please Winters. However, he still has all the intentions to stay with the Pens. No one really knows but them two. I just think it's all the agent.

J.S. said...

stokes, I'm gonna assume you're talking about this link. :)

akus said...
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BlacknGold66 said...

@Somechic: You are... Floridapens??

He called me a yinzer earlier which is almost a compliment to me as I've never lived anywhere closer than 138 miles from Pittsburgh.


Joke.

sh0ez said...

@ eileen: I haven't been able to check tPB every day, let alone read all the comments, so if possible could you let me know for sure what is going on via Facebook?

eileenover said...

@shoez

Definitely. Once the location is determined I'll send the invites.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

eileen - did u make a facebook event for it?

akus said...

tPB and Gary Roberts=rolls with the punches.

eileenover said...

@racheleyos

I need to have a location first cuz it's required to make an event. I think I'll just say Robinson. Would that be ok for you?

RaCHeLeYoS said...

lol i just made one saying that the location was pending.

that is quite a drive for me to robinson. but don't just rely on what i want lol cause i can't say i'm definitey coming. i was hoping for cranberry cause i kno there is minimal construction that way for me. who knows what will be going on with the parkway sat night....the last thing i need to do is get stuck in traffic before i leave the country.

eileenover said...

I'll make one anyway and send the invites. Robinson's quite a drive for me too. Hopefully you can make it!

RaCHeLeYoS said...

do it eileen!

cblog is really slow tonight. :::yawn:::

sh0ez said...

Robinson's already a pretty long drive for me. Cranberry is even more. Hah.

eileenover said...

I just hope a decent number of people come or I'm going to feel like a loser.

jefe penguino said...

both of those locations are jusssst a bit out of my way. if its robinson i will send my dad for me.

eileenover said...

Facebook invites have been sent. If I didn't send you one it's because I forgot your real name.

Flyer Hater said...

If we don't turn the page tonight, I'm quitting c-blog.

eileenover said...

We'll make it happen flyer hater.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

191.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

192.

RaCHeLeYoS said...

193.

sh0ez said...

Whitney-Scuds.

sh0ez said...

Whitney-Sydor.

sh0ez said...

Whitney-Whitney! Ohhhh!

bakedziti said...

here is a video of hossa figure skating if that helps

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRq-zJzPkCk

jefe penguino said...

woooo

Flyer Hater said...

C-blog=Clutch

Flyer Hater said...

Turn the damn..

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