Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Detroit Joke City

Running on all cylinders.

Penguins tickets go/went on sale at 10:00 AM Wednesday.

DeepThroat has tipped us that the Penguins
may be inviting fans to watch Games One and Two in Mellon Arena.

KISS FM wants someone to win two tickets to Pens home games.
[ Free registration enters you to win ]

Detroit tickets went on sale Tuesday.
We got plenty of e-mails from happy Pens fans who scored tickets.

[ Scotty V. ]


It was easy to hate the Senators.
It was even easier to hate the Rangers.

Despising Philly is our birthright.

[ Nate B. ]

But Detroit?
It is hard to have hatred for a team we never play.

Nothing can be made of when Detroit came to town at the beginning of last season.

We as a blog were in our infancy.
Probably the worst recap we have ever done.

[ Embarrassing. Pens Lose. ]

We didn't look for highlights of the game,
'cause all you have to do is stare at a wall and shoot yourself to re-create the feel.

The game might be OnDemand at your local nursing home, though.
[ Jason S. ]

It was easily one of the most boring games you could possibly watch.
Detroit refused to play offense.
They scored a goal, waited for mistakes to be made, and ended it.

But things have changed.
Every Red Wing their top line actually tries to score goals now.

[ Ed H. ]

They are the model franchise when it comes to drafting and signing free agents.
Best in the business, no question.

Brian Rafalski has stepped in this year and solidified the blue line.
Datsyuk and Zetterberg were drafted like 400th overall or something ridiculous like that.

But they finished 4th and 8th overall, respectively, in the points race this season.
Maybe they'll catch our boys one year.

"Wah, wah, you sucked, you got draft picks, now you're good."

Thanks for reminding us why every sport's draft system is modeled the way it is.
We had forgotten.


We were looking for a reason to hate the Red Wings...
and then we remembered:

Detroit fans and players hate animals.

Enter the legend of the Octopus. [ Wiki ]

It is tradition for Detroit fans to murder an octopus
and throw it onto the ice before every home playoff game.

It is from the days when an NHL team needed only 8 wins to take the Cup.

So someone, while molesting an octopus, saw that it had 8 tentacles
and decided to sacrifice it to the team.

Just read how the octopi are slaughtered for this Satanic ritual:

Beforehand, an octopus should be boiled for at least 20 minutes on high heat with a little lemon juice and white wine. This will mask the creature's odor as well as reducing the amount of slime. A raw dead thrown octopus would result in a smelly ball that would stick to the ice upon impact and possibly leave an inky stain, while a well-boiled octopus will bounce and roll across the surface of the ice. [ Wiki ]

So, now that the Red Wings are only FOUR wins away from the Cup...

...hide your little guy from Red Wings fans
who have every intention of killing it for their own enjoyment.

Pensblog Exclusive

It doesn't stop with the Red Wings fanbase, however.

Look at Nicklas Lidstrom poaching:

Chris Chelios partaking in the annual baby-seal slaughter:

Zetterberg loves to kill defenseless cheetahs:

What a scumbag.

And remember the Exxon Valdez?
Guess who was driving it.
That's right: Kris Draper.


One reason not to hate the Wings fanbase is what they've done on the internet.

We had some [ words ] this past September with [ Abel to Yzerman ]
after he got mad about our Red Wings season preview.

But he is a solid human being and actually understood that we like to job.
We've become friends with him over the course of the season.

[ Abel To Yzerman ] is at the top of the hockey-blogging world.

But it's still to be seen if he chokes in the playoffs
like the Red Wings have been doing in recent years.

We have found a worthy adversary when it comes to chops.


The jobbery has begun to slowly pour in from hoMoTown.
:: With Pittsburgh, Real Fun Begins For Wings. [ Free Press ]


[ red and black hockey ] has some discouraging news for Pens fans.

Hell, he had the news for us June 7 of last year
when he told us Pens fans to prepare ourselves for heartbreak this season. [ Link ]

Since 1989, a team has not been runner-up twice in the Cup Finals.
The Red Wings' year was 1995.

Couple that sick detective work with Jesus Christ himself coming down to us
and telling us, "shut down the blog, Wings in 3," we are devastated.

But we were uplifted when we remembered another factoid of Stanley Cup history.
***No European captain has ever led his team to the Cup.***


:: Uh-oh, Ross. Wings in Five. [ Ross McKeon ]

:: Wings in Seven. [ Paul Kukla ]
:: Pens in Six. [ Hockey News ]
:: Pens in Seven. [ Scott Burnside ]
:: Pens in Six. [ Matty Means Sports ]

:: Young Pens vs. Old Wings. [ Yahoo ]
:: Remember Ian Mendes? He talks about nothing. [ Sportsnet ]
:: First Impressions. [ EJ Hradek ]
:: NHL Series Breakdown. [ ]
:: Most entertaining Finals series since 1994. [ SportingNews ]

We've lucked out for these finals.
Pretty much every link pertaining to the series can be found at [ Kukla's Korner ].

We salute Paul Kukla.
He has been bringing links to the masses for quite awhile now.
And he loves his Wings.

We love Paul and what he has done for the Hockey Internet.
It can't be overstated.

But at 7:42 on Saturday night, he doesn't exist...
...until we go back for more links.


[ angelo g. ] with the find.


[ Annie ]

We're in the Stanley Cup Finals


Some pics we're getting stray away from WWGRD 4 Prez and go into normal Penguin fandom.
We simply can't post them all.

[ 5031 ] at Bike Week in Mirtle Beach

[ Charmed Child ]

[ David M. ]

[ Jimmy G. ] at Auntie Anne's in Monroeville Mall

[ Scotty V. ]

[ Stagel ]


[ Nick M. ]

While we're hanging out in Germany:

[ MJK ]


[ Bobby T. ] was gracious enough to edit Rex Gildo's Wiki
to accommodate the recent Hossa surge. [ Wiki ]

[ Hossa! Text Message ]
[ Hossa! Ringtone ]

Thanks go to everyone in Cblog who ironed out the iPhone ringtone dilemma.

There seems to be many varying options on how to get the ringtones on your iPhone.
It may be due to the fact that some people are running different versions of firmware and software.

Regardless, if you are using iPhone 1.1.4 and iTunes 7.6.2., this baby works.
We made a quick and painless tutorial:

You can't set a ringtone as a text-message alert, though.

[ Mike Lange Ushering The Pens to the Finals -- Ringtone ]
Props to Lloyd for that one.

**We really wish we had set up a multimedia page for fan-submitted wallpapers and stuff like this.
That'll be a summer job.



[ Allison R. ]

Gino, not Geno. Noted.

[ Michael W. ] [ J.S. with the FAIL inspiration ]


And finally, Detroit Metro Airport was on Red Alert early Wednesday morning.
An unidentified aircraft was seen performing maneuvers in the skies above Detroit.

Go Pens


freddy's mole said...

first first ever

Joose said...

Man.... I feel like watching Detroit Rock City now.

And, since my Jarkko Ruutu for Vice President group on Facebook isn't important enough to wade to the top of the monstrous pile of submissions to the blog, I will post the link again....even though I am the one who started it all, and somehow Sh0ez's sign made it on but mine didn't....... hahaha


Last time. I swear!

Dubs said...


"their top line actually tries to score goals now ..."

that's beautiful ... maybe we'll get another plus/minus lecture from the Joketown professors today about why that's not true ... can't f'n wait

vanillabui said...

Does anyone know if/where you can download hockey games? I'm in Europe and stream most through myP2P but was wondering if there was a site that allows you to download games after they have been played.

thanks folks

paul said...

wow, that old game recap really takes you back. anytime you hear/read 'dominic moore is a machine'... yeeikes.

J.S. said...

That Maklin pic deserves a "FAIL" or "UR DOIN IT WRONG" written somewhere.

Pensblog Staff said...

on it

H.C. Prick said...

Saturday... Penguins vs. red wings in the Stanley Cup Finals... I was five years old in 92'. I don't even know what to do right now...

BlacknGold66 said...

I'm still confused as to how people don't absolutely hate the Wings even prior to finding out we were playing them in the Finals.

Every year so called sports analysts basically ram the Detroit Red Wings and that whole "Hockeytown, USA" bullshit right down our throats.

My guess is that it happens so often that people have just become numb to it all much like people are numb from hearing about "America's Team" in the NFL.

Screw Detroit.

Screw them and that ridiculous, unappreciative, spoiled fanbase to the ground.

Detroit Red Wings = New York Yankees on ice.

Don't let these scumbags fool you.

TheEnforcer98 said...


That Mike Lange ringtone was submited by me. (hence the user name).

~Eric H.

TheEnforcer98 said...


No Harm, no foul. Just that Im at school right now and cant get email, or I'd email you :)

dying alive said...

I don't mean to job first thing in the morning, but hasn't that douche photoshop been done multiple times over here for various different players?

Johnny P. said...

Nice... I just sat down with some cinnamon toast and a chocolate milk for breakfast before heading to work in front on my computer (wow thats a slew of prepositional phrases). I planned on reading all of the articles BlogStaff has listed in today's post. I read the first one written by Ross Mckeon and couldn't read any more. The article starts off ok stating that he is indifferent and wants to see good hockey blah blah blah but soon turns into mud. Why is everyone banking so hard on Detroit's experience? I guess the Senators didn't have more experience in the first round and the Rangers certainly never won in the second round and the guys on the Flyers never made it to the finals. Experience does not score goals, Hossa scores goals (and Crosby, Malkin, etc.) Secondly, Mckeon writes that Osgood is better than Fleury, which is just inherently wrong. Osgood is older, has played in more games for more teams, not better, look at the stats and the competition. I'm considering calling off from work due to the sickness I am enduring from Mckeon's read.

dying alive said...

The Chelios/Walker picture made iced tea come out of my nose, as did the "Detroit fans and players hate animals" thing. Hilarious.

I missed Tom Cruiseblog yesterday. I think he's certifiably insane. And not the good, fun kind of insane. The 'some day my wife and kid are going to turn up dead by my hand and I'll be in the desert somewhere setting up my own Jonestown and serving Kool-Aid' kind of insane. Also, he runs like he has a stick firmly stuck up his ass. MI3 is almost unwatchable, in large part because he is constantly running and his ridiculously erect posture is so damn distracting.

IMO one of the better actors going these days is Edward Norton. He seems like a bit of an asshole, but the guy can act. I actually want to see the new Hulk movie that is coming out, and I'm not usually really into comic book movies (only because I never know anything about the universe they are supposed to take place in). Viggo Mortensen is a solid mention as well. Robert Downey Jr. is also awesome now that he's gotten his act together.

I am so sad that I missed movieblog. Anyone into foreign films, indies and/or documentaries? I could use some good suggestions.

@ j.s. - Paul Mooney reference? Let's get married.

GottaHydrate said...

Ha! Nearly died at "Zetterberg like to kill defensless cheetahs"... Gold
I'll make sure to hide every 4-legged creature in my vicinity...

Bring 'em on!

Fleury29 said...

This post was awesome. From poaching to MAKLIN, I was laughing my ass off the whole time.

Well done Staff!

Lloyd said...

Is there another name thief?

i didn't post/create anything about the mike lange call.

JYo said...

Every year so called sports analysts basically ram the Detroit Red Wings and that whole "Hockeytown, USA" bullshit right down our throats.

BNG, it could be because of the general lack of hockey coverage by the "mainstream" media. Its a lot easier to get sick of hearing about the Patriots, Red Sox, Yankees, etc. because its shoved down your throat. Even if the Wings get 90% of the hockey coverage, 90% of a small number is still a small number, so the overall exposure is still low. Perhaps its exaggerated where you have been, but on the whole its hard to say any hockey has received too much coverage. As for the whole "Hockeytown" idea, I think people just see all the empty seats in the arena and know its a complete misnomer without any further thought. Detroit = whatev. I just can't muster up the hate for them...yet.

Lloyd said...


Eric H. claimed it

(i should read cblog before posting)

Annie said...

Wow, my photoshop (actually MSPaintshop) made a post! Me = honored!

Jacob said...
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Jacob said...

@dying alive

Agreed, Robert Downey Jr is crazy good. If you haven't seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, do it. Val Kilmer also does a bang up job in it. Another good actor of the decade is Daniel Day Lewis. There Will Be Blood stole my soul

IwoCPO said...

"yankees of hockey" is a bullshit description, one we've seen in the ignorant MSM for years. Check the Wings' drafting record, the shrewd (cheap) pickpups Holland has made over the years in free agency and the way the team develops its youth, and you'll agree.

Hockeytown. It's been a point of contention even over on our site for a long time. Originally a marketing ploy, then a brand, now a definite conversation for debate.

Attendance is an issue in Detroit and none of us can deny it. It's pathetic to see the Joe with even a hundred empty seats on any night. Blame for that can be placed squarely on the organ-I-zation. Their marketing, pr, community outreach and fan relations departments are the worst in the league.

Bottom line: the Ilitch's took the fans for granted up to the lockout and they've paid for it ever since. A shitbag economy certainly hasn't helped.

One discussion point you'll see regarding attendance, and it will come up within the next three days, is the transition from an Yzerman-led team to a Zetterberg-led team. Idiots will write that the Wings fans don't come out in force anymore because we can't relate to Zetterberg like we did to Yzerman. That's complete bullshit, too.

Finally, the Wing fans--me included--are spoiled. We expect a lot, have become jaded and have forgotten what it's like to root for an up and coming team. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life. It's not something we'll shy away from admitting.

It doesn't keep many of us away from the arena, but it is what it is.

Lady Jaye said...

Oh wow, you guys made me lol pretty hard this morning. We should hate the Red Wings because they hate animals... classic. You guys are just too much.

I don't know. I don't care for the Red Wings because they were crammed down our throats as the best team in the Universe for awhile there... but at the same time, I suppose I don't loath them like I loath Philly or New York because we don't play them as much... now, if they had Chris Pronger on their team, I would loath them just for that much like how my dislike for the Blues started.

Yinz Luv Da Guins said...

To gear you up for this weekend's contest between Pittsburgh and Detroit, here's a Stanley Cup Preview Special

P.S. Who does the artwork on this site? The Penguin graphics at the top of the page are stellar!!

IwoCPO said...

Lady Jae: If Sasquatch (pronger) played for the Wings, I'd hate them too.

DeCeV said...

Don't worry, we'll all have a reason to hate Detroit when Holmstrom or Franzen scores an ass-in-the-face goal against Fleury. These things come naturally.


Stilly said...

I wouldn't classify the Wings as the Yankees on ice for the sheer fact that they operate within a salary cap and can't just buy a team that sucks year in and year out.

I do like to comparison to the Cowboys though. The America's Team vs. Hockeytown. And i'm sure that the largest portion of "casual" fans of the NHL are Wings fans because they're chic in the media. Much the same way you can't throw a rock in a trailer park and not hit a Cowboys fan.

Red Wings = Cowboys of the NHL.

IwoCPO said...

"Chic" in what media? What media would attract a casual fan to hockey? That's in the past. There are no more casual fans. Little Gary Bettman made sure of that.

Whistler said...

A town means that there are people living in it.

Hockeytown means that there are residents in the town that like Hockey.

Detriot is neither. In the nights, the place is a warzone. No one would want to live there. And most of the residents who live in the city of Detroit probably have never seen a hockey game in their life.

IwoCPO said...

Ok Whistler. I'll be in that "town" Saturday night for Game 1. If I make it out unscathed, I'll give you a full report.

In the meantime, feel free to direct me to the Pittsburgh chamber of commerce page that lists it as the tropical paradise it must be, considering your views on Detroit...a city I'm sure you've spent enough time in to form your opinion.

Your team's in the Finals, and that's the best you can come up with? Did you ask a Blues fan to write it for you too?

xuscbausp said...

do it, pens

xuscbausp said...

trolls already? before noon??

erik said...

that was hilarious, as a wings fan i feel privileged to have a whole series-worth of these. the animal killing series was genius.

Stilly said...

I'm not even sure what to do when the opposing team's fans LIKE the photoshops that we come up with. Are we doing something wrong?

This series has completely turned my world upside down.

lauren_hbg said...

I hope Ticketbastard's headquarters blows up.

I hate that stupid site. I just wasted ten minutes of my life trying to get tickets, to no avail.

J.S. said...

Daaaaaaaammit, I forgot to try for tickets.

j.s. = fail

Stilly said...

There are probably tickets left for the series in Detroit if you really want to attend.

I think the only tickets they sold were to the 19 people at the A2Y blog.

lis said...

yeah i made a feable attempt at getting tickets as well...i kinda figured i was just wasting my time.

Whistler said...

I had a ticket.. But couldn't remember my stupid password.

Lick me TicketMaster.. Lick me..

Thank goodness I have some SMG contacts... Gonna play ANY card I have...


I've been there and trust me, the whole place is a hole. You only wanna stay in the suburbs. I felt like a needed a bath when I was there. The only thing Detroit has are muffler shops and places to buy donuts. It's like every other business.

I write my own material thank you. I write at a 3rd grade level so people like you can understand.

lauren_hbg said...

@ stilly

Yeah you're probably right. I tried yesterday two hours after Detroit's went on sale and was able to get one. I didn't buy it, but I still couldn't believe that I could have if I wanted to.

dying alive said...

@ jacob - YES! I loved Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang. Just a great movie.

I dunno, I see Wings fans talk about how spoiled they are and how it affects their attendance and how they expect a winner every year, and it makes me appreciate the Pens all the more. I am not going to get into a pissing contest over which fan base loves their team more, but after suffering through a bad team for a couple of years there and with the threat of relocation hanging over our heads for the better part of a decade, no part of me doubts that Pens fans *appreciate* our team more than others do. I'm not talking about the bandwagoners who are only paying attention to the Pens because they've had so much success this year, I'm talking about those of us who stuck with the team through the good and the bad. No other fans in the league can understand what we've been through in the last decade, and as a result, we really take nothing for granted. We love the Tyler Kennedys and the Hal Gills and the Rob Scuderis every bit as much as we love Sid and Geno. 15 months ago we didn't even know if we were going to have a team, now they're here for 30 more years and they're playing in the SCF. It doesn't get much sweeter than that. I hope I never get jaded when it comes to the Pens, even if that means having some lean years here and there.

BTW, it may not be a tropical paradise, but it is the most livable city in America and has never finished out of the top 20 as long as Rand McNally's been ranking 'em. Not a slam against Detroit because I haven't spent enough time there to really comment on the city one way or another, but Pittsburgh isn't the decaying rust belt town that everyone stereotypes it as.

paul said...

i got a singular ticket to game 4 in e19!!!

i don't think i'm going to sleep between now and the 31st. sorry to kind of rub it in lauren :( i just am pretty excited, having never been to any playoff game for any professional sport.

dying alive said...

Poor Geno. :(

lauren_hbg said...

Paul you bastard!!!

Just kidding :) I went to Game One of the Cryers series, so I guess I'll allow it.

@ whistler

That sucks about your ticket - I feel your pain.

Russell Lucas said...

Hey, I have no trouble working up a fierce situational hatred for whoever the Pens are playing, and there are a bunch of nice angles to take shots at the Wings-- their underattendance, their recent playoff flops, their nostalgia roster spots for guys like Maltby and McCarty, their geriatric goaltending duo. At the end of the day, though, it's just not an abiding, yearlong hatred like Flyer hatred or Ranger hatred. Part of the reason is because the face of the franchise for so long was Steve Yzerman, and if you don't like Steve Yzerman, then you don't like hockey. It's like the jealous idiots from other fanbases who irrationally hate the Penguins for no reason other than how great #66 was.

(Aside: I went to a Penguins/Wings game in January '89 that was just amazing hockey, and everything the game used to be in that era. Final score was something like 10-8, Pens. I'm looking for a box score. Anybody have any ideas where you can find old box scores from games online?)

J.S. said...

The Wings have no reason to be labeled as "the Yankees of the NHL". O RLY?

2003-04: 77.8 mil, good enough to lead the NHL.
2002-03: 68.0 mil, second only to (imagine this) a New York team. Hint: it wasn't the Islanders
2001-02: 64.4 mil. There wasn't another team in the NHL that even broke the 60 million mark. In fact, the next closest team was St Louis @ 57.7 million
2000-01: 54.1 mil, second guessed it, the New York Rangers.

I can keep going. I got all fucking day and nothing but time thanks to a sloooow day at work.

Yes, the numbers are all pre-lockout, but it is to be expected that the cap will now bring some teams below a certain cap number. Without it, I'm sure the Wings would be pushing 85-90 million by now.

JYo said...

I wouldn't classify the Wings as the Yankees on ice for the sheer fact that they operate within a salary cap and can't just buy a team that sucks year in and year out.

That is probably valid now with the salary cap, but they were definitely one of the teams that gobbled up players at the deadline every year before the cap came in to being. I suppose the trolls will argue that Buffalo sent them Hasek in an "even" deal and it wasn't a money dump. Just like the Pens traded away Jagr, Kovy, etc. because they just didn't want them anymore, right? The Yankees draft plenty of good players too, so that argument doesn't hold either. Its the fact that these teams spend (or at least used to spend) tons of money on players that other teams developed and then get slobbered all over by the main stream media that make them similar.

As for IwoCPO, how about this, which states, "the 25th anniversary edition of Places Rated has returned Pittsburgh to the top spot in its latest rating of America's most livable cities."

erik said...

dying alive:

we've never had the threat of losing our team, but maybe you know about the "dead wings" era. now, i can't tell you how lucky i feel that we have the management we do, that our team somehow stays on top year after year, but before the cups in the 90's, there were some pretty dark years. but i'm not a lukewarm fan, so i can't really give you that perspective.

Hip said...

@dying alive - perhaps we could get a spot start as Geno's kin?

People have told me I look Russian before.

(Whatever the fuck that means...)

sarah said...

I got a single ticket to game 3! Sure, it's not the best ticket and I will have to go by myself.. but whooo cares :)

BlacknGold66 said...

and then get slobbered all over by the main stream media that make them similar.

That's EXACTLY what I was talking about.

Dr. Turkleton said...

@iwoc3po said:

"yankees of hockey" is a bullshit description

then later spewed:

Finally, the Wing fans--me included--are spoiled.

EXACTLY why I HATE the RED WINGS [sans Steve Yzerman]

I think the YAKNEES are a PERFECT EXAMPLE...unless this clown poster is 5 years old & can't remember back just a few years when the Wings were trying to BUY championships [pre lockout]:

Here are some numbers [sorry, not STATS for paul+nathan]

NHL YEAR/DET Team Salary/League Avg/PIT Team Salary

98-99 48.3*--29.8--23.8
99-00 43.4^--31.6--30.3
00-01 54.1^--33.3--31.0
01-02 64.4*--38.0--31.8
02-03 68.0^--42.4--31.2
03-04 77.8*--44.0--26.6

*= 1st in League Spending
^= 2nd in League Spending

DET won Cup in 01-02


If you looked up the definition of YANKEES, you'd find a picture of Mike Ilitch [with a stream of pizza sauce dripping from the corner of his mouth {at least I THINK that's pizza sauce}]

That's one reason why I HATE the Detroit Red Wings.


dying alive said...

erik - I do recall the Dead Wings era. And having followed bad Pens teams in the past, I can tell you doesn't compare to the threat of your team leaving town. Not by a longshot.

Dr. Turkleton said...

j.s. are you IN my computer !!!!!!!

J.S. said...

Doc, looks like we were on the same page. I see you went with even more detail and a few more years deeper, along with listing the Pens payroll and the league average.

Nice work.

Stilly said...

The Yankees comparison can't really hold water now that there's a cap. The cowboys comparison is perfect.

Plus I hate the Cowboys a lot more than I hate the Yankees. I wasn't even born in the 70's and I still loathe everything Dallas stands for. I think the Wings are in that same league, just not nearly as intense a hatred.

dying alive said...

I like the Wings' red sweaters. The red looks really sharp. I feel the same way about the Leafs' blue sweaters. Much like a crow, I am attracted to brightly colored and/or shiny objects.

Has anyone checked out prices over at the Pens Ticket Exchange? Wow. Make sure you're sitting next to a garbage can or some other vomit receptacle when you do. The cheapest seat I saw was $690 in E section, all the way up to over $3K for Igloo. I've had about 157 people offer to buy my ticket here at work today. Offers ranged from face value (and sadly, the guy wasn't joking) to $400. One guy offered me his first born and I'm only 75% sure he was kidding. Having met the kid, I'll have to pass on that offer as well. A guy in our Detroit office emailed me this morning asking about pricing and how he could go about getting tickets. I told him good luck.

Stilly said...

As an amendment to my previous post. I can most certainly see how that was the case before the lockout, and I'd agree that before that year they were indeed the yankees (most popular franchise, who like to flash the cash)

Dr. Turkleton said...


right back at 'cha...I was trying to figure out a way to post it in +/- form for those who:

Can't understand why some Pens' players +/- are lower than a couple Wings' players with about the same amount of points

Maybe newbie Pens fans don't have that deep down HATRED, but I'd say a shift or 2 when Game 1 starts will change that.

Docciavelli said...

Has anyone been to the "Hockeytown Cafe" in Detroit? It's a microcosm of the entire city--a contrived shrine to Wings hockey surrounded by the blight that is Kwame Kilpatrick's downtown and overpriced chicken fingers. I thought I was going to get jumped for my flipflops walking the two blocks from there to Comerica to see the O's/Tigers ballgame. I can't imagine what walking through Grand Circus after dusk (a crackhead's dream of boarded-up highrises with low-brow watering holes in the ground floors) must be like from there to Joe Louis.

Anyone from Joke Town making any disparaging comments about Pittsburgh, or even Oil City for that matter, has no leg to stand on.

Dr. Turkleton said...


once a Yankee ALWAYS a Yankee.

-Don Zimmer [or maybe it was Robert E. Lee]


JYo said...

if you don't like Steve Yzerman, then you don't like hockey

I will not argue that point at all.

J.S. said...

Stilly, maybe not so much now, but to say that the Yankees labeling isn't fair has to look at the entire story. Ironically, the Pens faced - or in one case, will be facing - the three biggest reasons why the cap was put in place: the Rangers, the Flyers, and the animal abusing Red Wings.

Dr. Turkleton said...


I just tried to see if my Crosby jersey fits over my bullet proof vest....It's snug, but it'll do. [thank GARY it's not the new RBK model]

It was wierd too while booking a hotel reservation, they asked for: my Credit Card, phone number, Next of Kin...thought that to be a tad odd, don't you think?

M. Vanderlasser said...

Only two shopping days left until Gary Roberts Day.

Lyrics to Fiesta Mexicana (transcribed using the youtube pause and scribble method)


Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana,
Today everybody is invited to my farewell party,
Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana,
There will be enough tequila that makes us happy,
All our friends are here,
One more time they celebrate with me,
We are doing Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana,
Because you will quickly forget about everyday life and sorrow.

Adio, adio Mexico, I will return to you,
Adio, adio Mexico, I am saluting you with my sombrero, I love you.

Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana,
On the little plaza everybody is laughing and singing,
Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana,
When the guitar plays to the last dance,
Juanita and Pepe, yes, both of them,say goodbye once again.
We are doing Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana,
Because the colored life brings love to us.

Adio, adio Mexico, I will return to you (repeat)


Fiesta, Fiesta Mexicana, soon everything will be alright again, yes, you will see,
Therefore, I will soon be back again...


Guildo >>> Dylan

It's good that we've discovered Herr/Senor Rex Guildo, because I can't listen to Ted Nugent or Eminem or Madonna or MC5 or Iggy and the Stooges or White Stripes any Motown or watch Grosse Pointe Blank for the next two weeks.

Stilly said...

Does that Malkin jersey failure remind anyone else of the movie McClintock!

Everytime I see that flubbed up jersey I think of Running Buffalo telling John Wayne "Great party, but no whiskey. We go home."

Stilly said...

@dr turk

Next of kin is probably a vital piece of information in Detroit. Good call on the vest.

Sooska said...

@ dr turk- OMGary! don't bring up that idiotic +/- thing again. That was by far the most boring cblog in history. The guy was a moron. This is what I say about it all:


J.S. said...

Gary Roberts Day should be a national holiday. In fact, I just might take the day off so I can have a 4 day weekend.

J.S. said...

HOSSA! Do it!

Dr. Turkleton said...


I do have an OLD [not vintage OLD, but tattered, worn-out, hockey-abused , OLD] Steve Yzerman [my idol] jersey...I thought about wearing that into the Joe....then ripping it off, Incredible Malk-style !!!!!

But, that's a bit over the top, even for a Wild & Crazy super-STAR, like me! chica-chica-woo,woo!!![/sarcasma O.D.]

JYo said...

Maybe newbie Pens fans don't have that deep down HATRED

Why should folks who have been Pens fans any longer than other have a different feeling about the Wings? Is there some 20+ year old rivalry I don't know about? I have been a fan of the Pens since the previous Cup years and I still don't have that hatred for the Wings. I don't doubt it could crop up in the Finals like many people are saying, but still, I don't see why the majority of Pens fans would have any problem with the Wings beyond the "Yankee syndrome" aspect.

BlacknGold66 said...


Because they aren't the Pens. :-)

Dr. Turkleton said...


sorry. It was just for snapping your fingers in front of an idiots face to get their attention.

I was going to post the #'s like this:


but that's just too hard on the eyes. [jokeblog]

[Hossa: octa pie]

racheleyos said...

man i'm lazy.... i missed tryin to get pens tickets this morning since i turned off my alarm...ughh

Stilly said...

I just read a good column by Buccigross over at (not sure if it was linked in the Pensblog, and i'm too lazy to look)

He was asked by a wings fan who he would rather have Datsuck and Zetterberg or Bing/Geno. He explained why he'd take Bing/Geno and not once did he bring up +/-. I couldn't belive he'd leave out such an important stat.

dying alive said...

I don't really have much Wings hatred, either. The Pens just don't see them much, so they're kind of irrelevant to me.

Other than Chris Chelios, of course, who I've hated with a white-hot passion since his days with the Hawks. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Pens kick his walker right out from under him this series.

Stilly said...

@dying alive

Yeah I hate Chelios from NHL 93. He pissed my off regularly, so I would run up the score on the Hawks whenver I got a change. Jagr was a beast in that game.

Dr. Turkleton said...

speaking of octipusssesss...

Why don't the Pens have any type of extinct-playoff tradition that hasn't been around since the 66-67 playoffs, like the Wings?...when, not only did it take just 8 Wins to get a Cup...but there were only 5 teams to compete against during the your team had a 16.7% chance of winning a Cup, before the season even started!!!!!!!

I couldn't find any 12-legged creatures of Gary that Pens' fans could throw on the ice to honor their inception into the league in 67-68 when it got a bit tougher [12 wins, instead of 8] to win that Silver we could just throw this

Sooska said...

@ jyo & dying alive - It's hard to care about the Wings and their wretched city. I despise Chelios. Would love to deny him another Cup (as I would have Modano.) I do hate the superiority they are expressing. I get the sense they feel entitled to the Cup-it is owed to them for being so wonderful for lo these many years and winning the President's trophy this year. yada yada blah blah, I have a few words for them about defining entitlement: NE Patriots.

@ HCDT: no kidding.

Did anyone else hear the new Pens song that DVE played this morning? It was based on Leah by Donny Iris and IMHO it is by far the best this year. Gotta love the yinzers:

The Stanley Cup

let me know if it doesn't work. or you can go to dve's podcast page-it's the first on the list.

The Seeker said...

vanillabui said...

Does anyone know if/where you can download hockey games?


snickerdoodles said...

After oohhing and aahhing over the pic of the cute little puppy, I then see the Wings Wild Country Safari. I was laughing so hard, I almost had orange juice coming out of my nose. Too funny.

Gary Roberts is about to send a couple of people back to school for a few spelling lessons. Maklin? Maybe this is Geno's unheard of third cousin, or somebody was drunk.

Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

When I got NHL06, I set up a Dynasty Mode with Vancouver, and I had to beat Detroit each of the first three or four seasons in the Conference Finals. And Steve Yzerman would never fucking retire, despite being about 47 years old when I got an impossible season task (best PK in the league, and with the goalie AI as horrible as it is...) and started a Penguins dynasty.

But even that didn't ramp up a huge amount of hatred in real life, and I'm a lifelong Pens fan. It's just difficult to build a division-rival level of animosity toward a team you don't see every year or lose to horribly in the playoffs (or both).

JYo said...

That "Yinz Luv da Guins" Finals preview is awesome. I'm a big fan of those videos in general. I especially like the ~25 second mock VS commercial in this one. It starts around the 1:48 mark. Good stuff. Keep it up guys!

nailersfan66 said...

Got pissed that tickets sold out in about 30 seconds so I made an impulse buy and will be driving to Detroit Saturday night. Will be in section 226B, Row 14 Seat 14. Hope to see some of you up there!

BlacknGold66 said...

One last thing about hating/not yet hating the Wings then we can drop it...

We all know that as soon as the puck drops we'll all hate Detroit.

Whether or not you hated them before doesn't matter.

But if you want to start hating them now just go to the Pens website.

-Click on Pens TV.

-Watch the season recap video.

-Wipe the tears from your eyes.

-Then sit back and think about all of the playoff games from this year so far.

And picture some old men in red coming in and ruining it all for you.

That should just about do it.

Dr. Turkleton said...

And picture some old men in red coming in and ruining it all for you.

You stink. You smell like beef and cheese! You don't smell like Santa.

Fleury29 said...

annie, I rock MSPaint, also. I've got no time for Photoshop.

I like IwoCPO s/he's got spunk.

I don't hate the Red Wings but it seems like the majority of the Red Wings fans I know are casual fans. They were fans in the late 1990s-early oughts that don't really follow hockey that much these days (one of them didn't even know the Pens and Wings had made it to the final) but they still sport the Stevie Y jerseys from years back.

It happens to all good teams. In the early 1990s it was the Pens. Any "bandwagon" fans coming into the NHL were either sporting black 99 Kings jerseys or white 66 Pens jerseys. In the late 1990s it was the Avalanche, Devils and Red Wings. Expect a resurgence of the Pens and Wings bandwagon fans after this year.

My thoughts though is that everyone has to start somewhere... your first season as a hockey fan, you were a bandwagon fan. Very few of us are lucky enough to be born into greatness. So, while may Wings (and Pens) fans may be what we might consider "bandwagon" fans, many of them are actually true fans who have just been introduced to the game. Welcome them, they are the future.


JYo said...

Since it seems most of us aren't familiar with Detroit as a city, I'll refer you to Mondesi's House to fill in the blanks. (I don't know if this has been mentioned here before, sorry if I missed it.)

TheNWChica said...

Dude...awesome post guys!

Is it only fricking Wednesday???

whodeewhat said...

@annie and fleury29,

I'm also a MSpaint junkie. The only place I have PS is at home and does me no good at work or anywhere else.

Everything I've submitted here(ie todays minister Osgood, my USS Hal Gill shop/avatar) have been paint babies and I still do OK.


Jonny V said...

On drill this weekend, I noticed one of my Marines had the last name Roberts on his chest. I went over to him and we started talking about the Pens, and I jokingly asked him if he was related to Gary. He said yes, he's like my fourth cousin, i've only met him like twice. I was too stunned to say anything...

I'm still behind on catching up on c-blog, but just wanted to say congrats to Hip for finally becoming a doctor and a holy Haaken Loob to Stoosh for his divorce letter to Vs. Awesome writing.

Donnie Iris > KISS (I never understood the obsession with them. They suck hard)

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is a great flick. Downey is hilarious in it. But it's not a comedy.

I hate the Red Wings because their uniforms are red and they play on ice...reminding me of my number one hate...cold ketchup

Nathan said...

Despite having one of your readers wish a fiery death upon me, I appreciate your blog and look forward to the Photoshop fun that will occur between you and us loyal A2Y 19.

I have to admit, I laughed at every single Photoshopped Wings picture, especially the one of Zetterberg killing a cheetah.

Good deal.

The Seeker said...

Dr Turkelton

I just saw your post from last night about staying near Detroit.

When I go there, I always stay at the Drury Inn in Troy. It's straight North up I-75 from downtown and it's rates are reasonable.

There are of course some excellent hotels downtown (Hotel Pontchartrain, Crown Plaza), but you'd pay big bucks.

Whatever you NOT get lost in Detroit after dark!!!

J.S. said...

I run PS6. I have CS but don't have a legit seri....err, I have a CD but for some reason I can't find the license for it.

Me + MSPaint = dead in the water

Stilly said...

I have a version of Gimp. Open Source = Free

Max Power said...

@ dying alive

Check out the movie "Highway"

It stars Jared Letto, Selma Blair and Jake Gillen(howeveryouspellit).
The guy who plays Dr. Cox on scrubs is in it and he's drugged out of his mind.

I think I figured out why the wings have so many empty seats...
When your city and you are soo poor that the staple of your diet is government cheese... chances are that your can't afford a ticket if you know about the wings or you don't know about the wings because you can't afford a tv. hehe cheese.

The Seeker said...

Mondessi didn't mention the annual Halloween ritual in Detroit....

Instead of going door to door begging for free candy - they burn, pillage, loot, rape, and murder their own citizens.

A good time for all!

Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

Dammit, didn't we go over this yesterday, name thief? If you'd bothered to scroll through c-blog (because I had posted earlier in the day yesterday) and change your display name accordingly, none of this would've happened.


erik said...

in regard to the empty seats at joe louis, the wayne fontes experience has a pretty good rant that responds to mitch albom complaining about the same thing:

erik said...

bah, link's too long. but if you wanna check it out, just google "screw mitch albom, screw him long and hard"

Sooska said...

@ dr turk- I rec'd this photo in an email a little while ago and it reminded me of something. The photo is entitled Redneck Seafood Dinner.

Throw This

M. Vanderlasser said...

@DrT, or we could throw these.

Has anyone heard how Mr. Petr Sykora is feeling?

@nwchica, no, I'm not Dutch, but my favorite cyclocross racer is Sven Vanthourenhout (he's Belgian, but what a cool name!).

Did any tPB readers catch the North Mississippi All-Stars when they were in Pittsburgh this week? If so, how was the show?

Stoosh said...

I'm having a hard time drumming up the hate for the Red Wings, but Turk's post above pretty much did it.

And I can definitely hate Chelios, who to me has managed to come across one too many times as someone who really hasn't enjoyed playing hockey for a living.

Like STILLY said earlier, I also can't stand Chelios because I had a friend in high school who used the Hawks every time we played NHL '94. The Hawks were damn near unbeatable in that game (Belfour, Roenick, Goulet, Chelios, grrrr), and I ended up hating the Hawks franchise because of my friend and a video-game version of their franchise.

Funny thing is that I know kind of like this new Hawks team (me = big fan of Jonathan Toews), but every time I see the new Hawks, I think about the NHL '94 Hawks.

Hey, why haven't we in Pittsburgh yet heard from Pittsburgh's favorite son of Detroit about the Cup Finals yet?

Could it be because he's too busy sprinting away from another Detroit-based clown?

dying alive said...

@Fleury29 - You make a good point about everyone having to start somewhere, but I started watching the Pens in 1988. They had Mario, but they still stunk. I wear that like a badge of honor.

@jonny v - You are spot on about KISS. They are the musical equivalent of an abortion (though I do like one solo song that Ace Frehley did - New York Groove, I think it's called).

@max power - I've heard of that one. It's one that's been languishing in my Netflix queue forever and I've just never gotten around to seeing it. I'll give it a bump.

IwoCPO said...


"Will be in section 226B, Row 14 Seat 14. Hope to see some of you up there!"

I think, based on the latin message stubhub sent me, that i'm literally the seat behind you. First beer's on me.

TheNWChica said...

@m. vanderlasser: I just wondered...I have a name with a Van, and I always like to give shout outs to them.

I think it's why Gronk is one of my favorites...Good Dutch boy.

dying alive said...

Stoosh has just come up with the ultimate reason to hate Detroit. Hello, Don Barden.

Sooska said...

@stoosh- thanks man. bng66 taught us to visualize the wrong outcome and you gave us the nail in the coffin - the Detroiter who is also welcher. We know about bankruptcy here in the Burgh Barden so don't try to kid a kidder (or job a jobber.)

J.S. said...

Bettis is from Detroit?

You'd think they would have mentioned that during the Super Bowl at least once. ;)

NHL Jeff said... Pens in 6.

BlacknGold66 said...

Bill Daly --NHL Deputy Commissioner--

Is on NHL Live.

He was talking about touching the Conference Trophy and the curse.

"Sid actually asked me on the ice, 'Do I have to take this?'"

Good stuff.

nailersfan66 said...


"I think, based on the latin message stubhub sent me, that i'm literally the seat behind you. First beer's on me."

Crazy! Somehow I didn't have to go through Stubhub. Ticketmaster still had the single seat available this morning for face.

nuck said...

FYI ... these guys here in Detroit on 97.1 The Ticket

are planning on painting a car up with Penguins logos and stuff and smashing it up in front of Joe Louis Arena ...

You have been warned!!

TheNWChica said...

Oh Sid....

Can you imagine if he somehow breaks one of his routines or something? The poor boy's head is going to explode.

Fleury29 said...

A2Y 19 is awesome. Finally, a blog worth jobbing against.

This is going to be one helluva series.

Have I mentioned I'll be in Western PA for games six and seven (if necessary.) I'm working now to try and change my family reunion schedule so I can make it to Civic Arena for game six.

dying alive, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was seven in 1988 and I didn't really get into the Pens until 1990. :-)

You wanna talk devotion to the Pens, though, check out my senior picture c. 1997. I had such bad, bad hair back then... but such an awesome jersey.

We're in the Cup Final, I thought it was time to bring out the big guns. Looking at that picture now, me=stunned.


J.S. said...

vandalising and smashing a car in front of Teh Joe?

Yeah, they're probably pulling a car from the parking lot with PA plates. Hopefully the head of that sledgehammer flies off and helps with the population control in Detroit.

Fleury29 said...

Did I mention we're in the Cup Final?


Beav said...

haha smashing a car in Detroit? isn't that like a local past-time? are they at least going to give the remains to the chop shop that bid the highest?

Stoosh said...

Oops. I mistakenly attributed BNG66's post to Dr. Turk.




Like Turk would ever come up with anything that good anyway! Wooooo!


I keeeeeeed, I keeeeeeeed!

lauren_hbg said...

@ fleury29


I'm glad someone has a heart when dealing with "hockey newbies" and realizes that yes, fans need to start somewhere.

I never watched a single period of hockey until I met my boyfriend, a diehard Pens fan, who's been following them since the early-ish Lemiuex days [he's only 28]. Our first date was an AHL hockey game [WBS Pens @ Hershey Bears], and I've never loved a sport that much, after watching only one game.

Fast forward to now, when it just so happens that my team is battling for the Stanley Cup - all the hockey fans at work, and other friends, [mostly Cryers fans, mind you], tell me 'I'm not a real hockey fan,' 'you just started watching it last season,' etc.

While I might not know the entire history and every statistic of the Penguins by heart, I've done the research, read every single Wikipedia article on the Pens and their players and coaches in the past and present, seen the FSN special on the history multiple times, and devote my entire [well, okay, not entire, but as much as you are all cblogging too!] workday to clicking links, reading all the stuff you guys have to say, so I don't sound like a hockey moron, and I can use facts to back up whatever someone says to doubt my fanhood.

/end rantblog

I'm just saying... you summed it up perfectly in saying fans have to start somewhere.

Stoosh said...

@ Nuck -

That sounds like something that Vanilla Ice and the Lost Fat Boy (or whatever they're called) from the KISS morning show here in Pittsburgh would do here.

What is this, high school? Are they going to have a pep rally as well? Is the band gonna play the fight song?

dying alive said...

@Fleury29 - I was pretty young in 1988 as well (12), but my dad was really into the Pens and we used to watch games together. Oh, how I long for the poor production values of KBL. My senior pictures are pretty hilarious as well. No Pens jersey, but I did have Pittsburgh hair in one of them.

@ lauren - speaking only for myself, I don't have a problem with hockey newbies whatsoever. It's the ones who only watch when they're good and give up the first season they don't make the playoffs that I find irritating.

Jonny V said...

My fandom started during the KBL era. I made a point to get doubles of every Penguin for my Panini sticker book for 89-90. I remember watching both Cup-clinching wins at my uncles house in West Mifflin, and distinctly remember drinking 2 Olde English forties down my buddy's house the night Florida eliminated us to help ease the pain.

Fleury29's senior picture owns the yearbook it was in.

nuck said...

@ Stoosh , they were coming up with ideas to do for the series ... they were thinking of getting a wings car and riding around pittsburgh with a megaphone playing the hey hey hockeytown song ... other ideas involved tying penguins to the car and a bunch of other random stuff... who knows if they'll actually do anything....

lauren_hbg said...

@ dying alive
I know what you're saying - and that's what some people try and say, that I'm only a fan because they're good. I can't help it that I happened to step into it at this point, but I plan on sticking around for awhile, through good and bad times alike. :)

FijiH2O said...

fleury29 -
Awesome senior picture!!! Can't go wrong sporting the big guy's number:)

I've been sick and just got caught up on the past few days. I had Gary Roberts' pneumonia/upper respiratory ailment. I was at the Medical Center in Beaver the other day, and someone had taped a hand written sign on one of the women's room doors: "penguinettes". I took a pic with my cell phone, but it was too small to read.

stinky harry -
was Harry on the channel 11 post game show last week with Amy Marcinkiewicz? She was talking to someone with a good luck baby. Harry rocks - keep up the good work!

Once again, all of the PSers have out done themselves - kudos!

Thanks for the Hossa ring tones. Sorry, I forget who posted them :(

The Red Wing trolls don't seem as bad as the others who have popped up here; except, the idiot who is obsessed with +/-. I was going brain dead trying to follow. So far, no one has been reduced to whining and vulgar name calling.

I'm going to go and take a nap now.

Pensgirl said...

Wings fan Nathan, you really do need to alter your username if you're going to keep posting here. Our Nathan was a regular when you showed up and he's going to continue to be a regular when this series is over and you leave. He has never had an avatar and you did confuse people when you started posting, being indistinguishable from him, about the Wings. It's fair to expect you to accommodate him. I'm saying it nicely here. Please change your username.

Moving on, Kris Draper driving the Exxon-Valdez absolutely made my day. That whole animal series, staff, was creative and funny and I applaud you for it.

Jerseyblog: at the Caps game in October my roommate and I were sitting near a kid in a "Fluery" jersey. Maybe there's a whole team's worth of those out there: Crobsy, Gochnar, Whintey, Scuedri, Oprik, Stall/Stahl, Tablot, Mallone. What's that saying, "Bad spellers of the world untie!"

J.S., if they do pick a car with PA plates, the person can just replace it. You know, with a Toyota. Or a Honda.

Dr. Turkleton said...

*** have the sudden urge to eat Hot Dogs & French Fries ***

Damn, could've gone to Weiner World for lunch if I'd read those earlier!!! about replacing the hot dog for a nice Pittsburgh Kielbasa!

@m. vanderlasser..unfortunately, I'd end up throwing and empty [and licked clean] 'fry & gravy holder'.

@the seeker....thanks for the info. I ended up booking a place up in Southfield in which my buddy had stayed before.



Maybe Big Bob & what's his name can go up to Detroit & stage a demolition derby with painted up cars --- Fonzie & Pinky Tuscadero v. the Mallachi Brothers-style


+1...that Hey!Hey! Hockeytown* 'song' could be someone's sole reason to HATE & DESPISE the DET RIOT Red Wings.

*barf bag not included


Stoosh said...

@ Lauren HBG -

Awesome story/rant.

I didn't become a Pens fan until I moved to the "greater Pittsburgh" area from Erie in 1994 to start college. I grew up a Canucks fan and the only live hockey I'd seen to that point were the ECHL Erie Panthers games I used to go to with my uncle.

My uncle, in fact, is the reason I became a hockey fan. He was a Panthers' season ticket holder and I went to probably 10-15 games a year with him. What set hockey apart to me was that the fans - especially the regulars - all seemed to all know each other, and not just the fans around where we normally sat. There were regulars who came over from the other side of the stands to talk to us and everything; it was like going to a game knowing you'd meet up with 150 or 200 of your friends every night you went there.

I see the same stuff at Mellon Arena despite a crowd that's five times larger than the ones I used to sit in in Erie. And the same thing exists here, which is one reason I said I've always liked C-blog. It's one of the reasons that I count hockey as my favorite sport.

Anyway, I didn't really become a diehard Pens fan until around 1995 or 1996. I missed watching Lemieux in his prime. It didn't take me long to become assimilated into the Pens fanbase.

My wife didn't become a fan until the last couple of years, but she absolutely loves the team now. The first game I took her to was the Pens-Panthers game in the 2001-02 season when Marty Straka broke his leg. We went to the Devils-Pens game earlier this year when the officiating was awful and she was ready to throw stuff on the ice along with everyone else. We get to maybe two or three games a year together (she goes to them with a couple of her friends at work as well), and next year it'll be more because we agreed to take ten of the games my brother-in-law and sister-in-law have down in C12, so the Stooshes will be there in force.

She knows all the players, knows most of the stories and she even knows most of the inside jokes on C-blog. Most of her friends at work are Pens fans, so that's good too.

BlacknGold66 said...


My girlfriend hear's crap like that all the time.

Yes, she became a Pens fan because I'm (clearly) obsessed with them.

But when she school's my friends here that claim to be fans of the Pens (or other teams) in Pens knowledge it makes it all worth while.

I still can't get over my buddy who roots for the Pens whenever it's "cool."

If I were to sit the two down right now and hand them each a piece of paper and a pencil and say "Write down as many current or former Penguins as you can." She'd own his ass.

Chris Minard n' shit.

lauren_hbg said...

@ stoosh

Equally awesome story from you - I do the same things as your wife now, but I still remember asking why they blew the whistle when the puck went from one end to the other.

"Lauren, that's called icing."
"Ohhh." *gets hungry for cake*

I just love going to games though, the Ice Bowl was seriously one of my favorite days of my whole life, the tailgating, the actual game, meeting other Pens fans, even the opposing fans were cool for the most part, I loved every minute of it.

we just put ourselves on the STH waiting list a week ago, maybe by my 30th birthday we'll have tickets, haha.

letsgopsu said...

That Jules as hockey coach video almost made me piss my pants.

Now it's time to catch up on all these posts. I miss only having to read about 50 posts at this time of day....

lauren_hbg said...

@ bng66

I'd like to think I could also compete in a contest like that - that would actually be fun to test that out on a fairweather fan... hmmm.

Dubs said...

Re: J.S., if they do pick a car with PA plates, the person can just replace it. You know, with a Toyota. Or a Honda.


Free Candy Man (formerly nathan) said...

The Pens-Caps game in March (the Backstrom own-goal game) made my wife into a Pens fan for life. We've gone to a couple Hurricanes games together and some minor league games here in Richmond, in Roanoke, and in Bridgeport (she's from Milford, Connecticut, just a couple towns up I-95 from the state's festering sore), but none of those games were really illustrative of just how amazing hockey can be. That Backstrom game was one of the two or three best games I've ever seen in person (it'll be tough to top the Hurricanes beating the Devils in OT in the first round of the 2002 playoffs), but finally bringing her to a game where the crowd was totally into a spectacular game was enough to hook her. She's even watched Pens' games this playoff year that I couldn't be home for and sent me text-message updates.

We've all got to start somewhere, but once you're hooked, it's for life.

Let's go Pens.

Dubs said...

Chelios playing?

The status of Red Wings winger Johan Franzen (concussion-like symptoms) remains uncertain, but Chelios, who missed Detroit's Game 6 win Monday at Dallas because of a leg injury, is likely to play in Game 1.

I hope so. I think he's one of their weaker links at this point.

lis said...

o.k. here's my story:

Unfortunately, I became a bandwagon fan of the pens in 92-93. My brother-in-law was a big Pittsburgh sports fan and he gave me on old Penguins sweatshirt. I liked real Penguins (in fact i have a tattoo of one on my ankle) and so I started reading game recaps and box scores in the newspapers. I had no idea at the time how good the Penguins were that year. I fell in love with the Penguins the first time I ever saw Ulf Samuelsson. I thought he was so hot!...but I was also 13! I watched the playoffs that year and can still picture Stevens smashing his face off the ice and God damn David Volek (that's why I said unfortunately to start)!!!

I've been a fan ever since. I've turned my boyfriend into a fan and pretty much everyone in my family as well! During the lockout in the 90's my older sister would drive my girlfriends and I up to Binghamtom to catch AHL games since we weren't old enough to drive and were so hockey obbessed. Met Gary Thorne and Bill Clement there. They didn't think we had any idea who they were until I asked to see Bill's ring!

We were at one game up there and we had seats next to a bunch of business men in suites. Found out they were also from Wilkes-Barre. Guy told us they had been trying for years to get a minor league team in W-B. It took about 5 or 6 years but it got done. I spoke to that same guy on opening night and he remembered me just as vividly as I remembered him 6 years earlier.

I had season tickets to W-B for the first 6 years they've been there until I moved to the Philly area. I've watched so many of the guys that are in Pittsburgh now develop down in Wilkes-Barre as well as many others who have moved on and done well for themselves (Andrew Ference, Tom Kostopoulos, and Toby Petersen).

The lean times in Pittsburgh that people speak of were my AHL team so I always watched matter how horrible they were.

This is MY first trip to the Stanley Cup finals. I've been to two Calder Cup finals and was there for both series clinching games (both W-B losses). My heart has been crushed over and over again and this is really the first REAL chance I've had to see them win....and if it goes to a game 7, I'm gonna be seeing it live...if I don't have a heart attack beforehand!

My friends down here who are mostly Philly fans don't even try to mess with me because I'm a girl. They just trash talk my boyfriend! Then he just calls me and asks how he should reply! For the most part it shuts them up!

Thats my story and I'm sticking to it!

lis said...

oh yeah...i can't believe i forgot to mention...when i talk about getting my heart crushed for years by this team you can also add in the 5OT loss against the flyers to that list. Primeau took that shot directy in front of where i was sitting!

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Annie said...


I'm totally with you. I have to admit that it annoys when people equate a newbie to a bandwagoner (ps - I'm NOT saying that it's anyone here!). Like you, I've done my research in order to catch up on the history, and the more I've learned, the more I've fallen in love with this team. My dad has been a Pens fan since he was thirteen in 1967, and while he and my brother have loved them and followed them closely through my childhood, I (very regretfully in retrospect) didn't catch on until early this season. Hockey's always been my favorite sport to watch, but for some reason I just didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it.

But bonding with my dad watching the games early this season made me finally pay attention, invest emotion, and fall in love with this team. That's why I can't name a favorite player - I'm in love with the entire team. Does that make me a bandwagoner just because they're in the finals this year? I hope not. Does that mean that I love my team and will continue to support them years into the future when they might not be doing so hot? HELL yes.

I was researching the 1980 Olympic hockey team earlier this year and could not get the image out of my mind of all twenty guys standing on that tiny platform, fingers raised in the air - the greatest hockey team on earth, because they were such a cohesive group. They had been through so much and bonded so much and had achieved something so spectacular that even though afterward they went their separate ways and have never gotten all the members back together again, they will always be known as a part of that team.

That's what this Pens team reminds me of. We don't know what will happen in the future - next year's team is not going to be the same as this year's. But what they have achieved so far through so much adversity - injuries, health, financial issues, moving the team (I'm talking about in years past too) - will always be remembered in years to come no matter what happens. That said, I hope we fuckin blow Detroit out of the water this series! We've earned it.

PS - whoa, veered offtopic blog there. Whoops. Whatev.

Sooska said...

@ chica- about Sid and his superstitions. thsi is from the PG, a rehash of our previous discussions of his OCD.

Superstitious ... Who? Me?

Every day during the playoffs, Crosby goes to a stage for a news conference. When it's at Mellon Arena, he always sits in the same chair closest to the left side of the platform and makes sure he uses the microphone with the red cord -- even making the building union guys cringe by switching things around if they don't suit his preference.

So his answer to a question about his most important superstitions wasn't surprising.

"Too many to discuss, especially in the playoffs," he said. "That's one of the fun things about the playoffs. You really see guys get in their routines that you don't typically see during the season. Guys who typically aren't that superstitious, you start to see the same things over and over again."

Someone suggested he should have switched to the microphone with the blue cord to talk about superstitions.

"I don't know what you're talking about," Crosby said, with a grin.

dying alive said...

@ lis - Ha! I also had a crush on Ulfie. He was hot, and I don't care that I was only like 14 at the time. He still looks pretty good now.

The Kevin Stevens face-smashing incident is one of the more horrifying things I've ever seen in my life. I also remember a game where Peter Taglianetti got his face destroyed (by a puck, I think) that was so, so gruesome. Blood was shooting out of his nose like a geyser. It sent my mother (who has always been kind of lukewarm on hockey to begin with) fleeing from the room. You know an injury is brutal when people actually have to leave the room rather than watch it.

lauren_hbg said...

@ sooska

I read that article from the PG earlier today, and I knew I had read that story somewhere else - now I remember where... cblog!

Sooska said...

@ lauren- i think tPB and cblog knows all.

Stilly said...

Ok I have to come clean. I haven't really followed hockey until about midway though this season. I've always loved the Bucs and da Stillers, but never really gave hockey the time of day. That was until a friend of mine invited me to a WWGRD group on facebook. I can tell you that the Pensblog had me instantly enamored with Pens hockey. I researched constantly and watched when I could (Not getting FSN means not very often... I hate Harrisburg)

I, like others, am a relatively new fan, but I don't think that qualifies me as bandwagon. I've always been a Pittsburgh diehard and from here on out.. I'm a pens diehard.


M. Vanderlasser said...

@lauren_hbg, assuming you're not headed to Detroit, where are you guys watching games 1 & 2 here in the 717?

I know where to get good gravy fries and where the Popeye's are but I don't know if there are any Pens-friendly public drinking venues close to Ye Olde Historic Carlisletowne.

Zarley Zalapski Blues Explosion said...

Detroit USED to be the Yankees of hockey because they did outspend everybody prior to the salary cap (see the 2002 Stanley Cup team).

The Rangers also tried to do this in the pre-cap era, but fell humiliatingly short every time.

lis said...

dying all of these years I've never even met the guy to get an autograph. My mom saw him in the hotel across the street from the Mellon a few years back and got an autograph for me but I missed out! He was an assistant with the Hartford Wolfpack a few years back and I made sure to go grab a few pictures of him behind the bench.

My jersey number in soccer and field hockey in high school was #5. In fact, it's my dek hockey number now. I like to think I played rough and touble like him growing up and most of the guys on my hockey team consider me a brute so I guess I still do!

TheNWChica said...

@sooska: I can just imagine his's got the pantry all organized by vegetable and color and the towels are all by color....

And are we talking about how we became a Pens fan? I always liked Mario and thought he was so good; but I really got involved when Rex came back to the team from Philly, then LeClair too. I'm a noob and am a fan of a couple of other teams too; but I am no bandwagoner!

xuscbausp said...

i love that mike lange is my new ringtone.

thanks, pensblog

Zarley Zalapski Blues Explosion said...


New fan doesn't always = bandwagon fan. You could just be someone that was never turned onto hockey until recently.

Just as long as you're there when things aren't as good as they are right now, you won't be a bandwagon fan.

xuscbausp said...

by the by:
i am so far behind on work. every time i try to concentrate my mind goes to this saturday.
gary, give me patience

M. Vanderlasser said...

" brutal when people actually have to leave the room rather than watch it." - did you see B. Spears on the VMAs last year?

lauren_hbg said...

@ stilly

I, too, hate living in Harrisburg, so I feel your pain.

However, if you have Dish Network, and feel like paying a little extra, I think it works out to like $10-15 each bill, you can get the "FSN Sports Package", and get all the Pens and Buccos games.

Zarley Zalapski Blues Explosion said...

I became a fan of the Penguins because my dad watched them on TV all the time when I was little and we lived in PA.

Yeah, not the most exciting "How I Became a Pittsburgh Penguins Fan" story, I know.

(And if anyone asks why I'm a Pirates, Stillers, or Pitt Panthers fan, it's basically the exact same story as above.)

Max Power said...

@ dr T

Weiner world down on smithfield st?

= $ in the bank

Stilly said...


Oh I'll be here. I'm generally more vocal when things are teh suck. Which is why I talk myself and everyone I know into believing that the Buccos are going to win the division at the beginning of every season. They think i'm full of it. It's going to happen one of these years. haha.

Stilly said...


I have Suckcast cable, but I'm seriously considering Dish. I just don't know if the apartment community I live in has some kind of deal with the devil over TV rights and stuff. I need to do more research.

lauren_hbg said...

@ m. vanderlasser

For game one, we had previous plans of going to the big Hollywood Casino (I'm sure you've heard of it if you've turned on the radio lately - it's WOW open!), so we're watching it in the Sports Bar there, and gambling at intermissions of course.

Game 2 we'll be watching at The Coliseum in Camp Hill. We watched Game 3 of the Flyers series there and it was packed with Pens fans. The beer prices are crazy cheap, it's non-smoking, and the service was pretty accomodating to a large group that was scattered amongst like 3 tables. I strongly recommend going there for a game. My email address is in my profile, shoot me an email if you wanna coordinate.

xuscbausp said...

game4tailgateblog. im coming in from NJ and meeting up with some friends from PSU. cant wait

Stilly said...


My family has always been big into Pittsburgh sports too. The only thing is that I grew up about half an hour west of State College, so i've always been a Nittany Lions fan.

Dr. Turkleton said...

@max power

Check + Mate, my friend.

racheleyos said...

i started watching the pens when I was about 10 years grandma always babysitted me and at night she would have the games on... i pretty much had no choice but to I ended up starting to like the sport. My grandma at the time was dating this new guy (who, looks like Mario Lemieux!) So I was all afraid of him and kinda stoked at he same time cause I thought it could be him. They took me to my first games and I ended up having my 13th birthday party at the arena. Ever since I have become more and more hooked. My parents have always liked the Pens too, but I can't stand watching games with my dad because he gets pissed and starts saying they suck. Then I start arguing and the such.

I'm always liked the Steelers...Penn State football....Pitt basketball over the past couple of years (when I met Aaron Gray!) lol. Who is a beast...

Sooska said...

@ stilly- welcome to eastern PA cblog! As you see lauren hbg, whistler, flyer hater (where has he been?), lis & me (I go betweeen eastern PA and Pittsburgh) to name a few.

@ chica- he is one of those people who color code the clothes in their closet and make sure all the hangers go the same direction so the clothes are all facing the same way. To me that's a whole lot of work!

I recall listening to the Pens preMario & now we speak of the "Pens of Old." Soixante-Six did it for me. My family used to have season tickets thru the 1st Cup year and I boast that in the playoffs our Pens are X (unknown signifcant number) and 0 when a member of Pensfamily has attended a game. Never lost. The most fun I ever had at a sporting event (and that includes the World Series) was at the Patrick Div final against NJ in 91 when we won 4-0. The atmosphere at the Igloo was unbelievable. The David Volek game is a nightmare.

SexyChubbs said...

Pens fans stories? This is good stuff.

I played hockey throughout middle and high school, so I was always a fan of the sport. Growing up though, I had this fascination with upsetting my family by rooting for opposing teams. I would root against Pittsburgh at every turn (Stillers, Buccos, Pens). Oddly enough, at video games (like my favorite NHL 94 that's been discussed), I would always be the Pittsburgh team(s).

At the end of high school (Class of '98), I would catch and cheer at more Pgh games, but I was indifferent. But it wasn't until moving away to college and then getting a job in MD that connected me to all things Pgh. I am so proud to come from that city and cheer for its teams.

In fact, sadly for my fiancee, my students, and my family, it's now at the point of obsession.

SexyChubbs said...

Nothing for me will beat last summer, at a teachers' convention in Florida, when I met Rico Fata's sister. I was wearing a Pens shirt, and she asked me how big of a fan I was. I told her, she told me she was Fata's sister.

She then regretted the decision as I cornered her in the bar and talked hockey, Pens, and Rico for the next half hour.

lauren_hbg said...

See, now this one of the reasons why I love this organization and team. I can't imagine they're doing this in Detroit.

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homesprout said...

The ESPN John Buccigross article that was mentioned earlier.....

Click here!!

If everyone would take less to play for the Pens......

M. Vanderlasser said...

@lauren - gracias!

I'll talk to Mrs. VdL about game two - maybe we can get together for a Central PA Fiesta Mexicana at the Coliseum!

Hossa! Hossa ! Hossa! Hossa!

The Seeker said...

Dubs said...

if they do pick a car with PA plates, the person can just replace it. You know, with a Toyota. Or a Honda. OUCH!

You know on one of my trips to Detroit to see the Formula One Grand Prix raced on the city streets of downtown Detroit, I met some autoworkers from Detroit.

We were all there to watch the qualifying sessions when a cloudburst sent everyone running for cover. My friend and I ducked into a storefront with an awning to stay dry along with these autoworkers.

We began talking about us being from Pittsburgh and such. They told us about how everyone should buy American cars.

That's when things began to get heated because I told them that when the American car industry was on the ropes, Pittsburgh's Steelworkers Unions supported them and told everyone to buy American cars. But when they actually began building decent cars that Americans would buy again, and their auto industry was out of the doldrums, instead of those Detroit car companies buying American steel from Pittsburgh, they pulled the rug out from under us and bought FOREIGN steel to build them from.

I've never worried about not buying American cars after they pulled that move!

lauren_hbg said...

@ vdl

No problem - I would love to fill that place with Pens jerseys, and we don't have many Pens-jersey-toting friends, so the more the merrier!

xuscbausp said...


my brother got me into the pens in 90 when i was 7. i used to go to sleep listening to games on the radio while growing up in NWPA. long story short, i now live in NJ and live and die on the pens (just ask the fiancee). i cant wait to be in the burgh for game four and probably game six.

this is it. we shall do it.

letsgopsu said...

The first ever Pens game I went to was the last home game during the 1996-97 regular season. There was nothing I wanted to see more in that game than a Lemieux goal (being that it was supposedly his last regular season home game). I wasn't able to get really into hockey after that because the only player I had ever heard of (besides Gretzky) had retired (and I was 7 or 8 years old). When Lemieux came back, I started following a little bit again, but at that point the league was too boring for me. (The stupid Devils and their stupid trap and all that stupid clutching and grabbing.) Then, before the 05-06 season, I heard about all the rule changes, and I finally was able to enjoy the game (when I could convince my dad to turn it on the television). And now I'm addicted to the Pensblog. Saturday cannot come soon enough.

sarah said...

I remember being 4 years old and crying when the Penguins lost to the Capitals in the 1993-1994 season. I laugh when people question if I'm a "true fan"

Dr. Turkleton said...

lauren_hbg gave a link to why she loves this organization & team...

this is why I hate this cities' politics:

Penguins signs held up by city billboard moratorium

Don't get me started if this was a Stiller issue........

what a joke.

J.J. said...

Hey Pens fans, I think I found a way to change the +/- stat so that it can accurately predict a team's success.

First off, let's get rid of that pesky and confusing "you don't get a plus for scoring on your power play and you don't get a minus if the other team scores on your penalty kill" All goals now count for either a plus or a minus.

Next, the current style of +/- scoring can get skewed when a player gets a random plus or minus for having just jumped on or off the ice when a goal is scored. To get rid of this, we'll just give everybody a plus or a minus on each goal.

After that, we'll learn that giving everybody a plus or minus is kind of a waste, so instead of each individual getting one, the team gets one when goals are scored.

To simplify it even further, there's no point in keeping the math for both teams for each category, that's twice the counting. We'll just get rid of minuses and we'll only count each teams pluses.

For instance, in the new +/- scoring system, if the Penguins score three goals and their opponents get only one, then the Penguins get three pluses and the other team only gets one plus. I think this will give us a very good indication of which team played better throughout each game.

BlacknGold66 said...


I Have Kasparaitis said...

The puppy was so adorable, I hate the Red Wings even more now ... Zetterberg, stay away from my cats or you'll get more jacked up than this.

I see movieblog happened when I left yesterday so I feel like putting my opinion in whether or not anyone actually cares ...

Fav. Actors: Paul Newman (that man is like another Gary Roberts to me), Robert Redford, Christian Bale, and Joaquin Phoenix. Oh, and Harrison Ford ... Han Solo and Indiana Jones are 2 of my fav. characters ever ... Dying Alive: Edward Norton is a beast!

Also, letsgopsu: When you were talking about Liam's character saying to Bruce Wayne, "You burned my house and let me for dead. Consider us even." It meant that he killed the guy who was pretending to be him and therefore was considered him.

@Zarley: Same here basically on becoming a Pittsburgh sports fan ... though the obsession I have with the Pens and Steelers must have been caused when I cracked my head ...

@Stilly: Don't get Dish ... I hated it, go with Directv, so much better.

@coffeytalk: Here's a clip just for you.

In the Penguins Organization I Trust!

Johnny Wrath said...

Darren McCarty is a pasty, lardy slob.

He used his garage band, Grinder, to defame Fedorov when he signed with Anaheim (shortly before McCarty bolted to Calgary).

That didn't work out, so he smoked dank and drank beer all day until he realized he was going broke. I really don't think, if I'm an NHL team trying to win it all, I'm letting this dude on my roster.

This is part of the "veteran advantage" Detroit enjoys; lardy Darren in the room, eating funyuns™, reminiscing about "that one time Claude Lemieux turtled".

J.J. said...

Serious question for the Pens faithful. What kind of coach is Michel Therrien? Is he a line-juggler? a hard-nosed guy? What's his trigger for pulling a goalie? smart with timeouts? You see him as being a good long-term coach for your Penguins and being able to develop the youngsters like Crosby and Malkin, all while putting a team out there that can live up to some pretty high expectations?

BlacknGold66 said...

I can't believe the laziness of the Wings scouts.


lis said...

Therrien's a hard nosed can tell by the scoul you'll find on his face behind the bench when the pens aren't playing to their potential. His biggest knock is that is was not "Shero's guy." He was "called-up" from the minor league team when Craig Patrick was still GM.

During the regular season many Pens fans complained about his line juggling...however...looking back now most of that had to do with not having the right type of guys that could keep up with the likes of Malkin and Crosby. When Crosby went down with the bad ankle, it basically solidified the Malone, Malkin, Sykora line and now that Crosby and Hossa have developed some chemistry the Crosby, Hossa, Dupuis line has been consistant. He will change it up from time to time depending on the game but not nearly as much as possible.

He is the type of coach that rewards players for good hard work. And at this point in the season with the way Fleury has been playing, I'd imagine it would take a complete collapse for him to pull him and put Conks in.

Fellow Pensbloggers, feel free to add whatever I missed.

Max Power said...

Being a wings fan is like winning a gold medal in the special olympics... yeah you won but your still fucking retarded.

@ dr. t

I work in the Gulf Tower. I hit up the WW atleast twice a week! Gravey fries WORD!

letsgopsu said...

@ IHKaspar

I knew the jobbing would come back to bite me in the ass...

lis said...

"He will change it up from time to time depending on the game but not nearly as much as possible."

yeah should read "but not nearly as much as in the past"

jefe said...

@jonny v

im digging out my panini stickerbook asap.

J.J. said...

"but your still fucking retarded."

You leave my still out of this, Max.

I Have Kasparaitis said...

@bng66: Wow, I was thinking the same thing ... isn't it weird that j.j. mentioned that it the Red Wings weren't on this site ... am I paranoid? Tune in later to find out *laughs*

@letsgopsu: Ha Ha (insert Nelson's saying this ...) *laughs*

I'm probably one of the few people on here that actually care about this ...
Another season, yeah
I didn't end up liking him as much as I do now until he got on the Kings (because I refuse to like any Flyer player ...)

Johnny Wrath said...

I don't understand what the point of the +/- post was, but you ask a great question about our Coach.

Basically, Therrien is mercurial. He doesn't exactly juggle lines at this point. He used to throw lines together on the fly before we traded for Hossa, but the doesn't exactly need to do that now that there are clear roles.

He will shorten the bench and double shift Malkin on Sid's line, or Max Talbot. He'll occasionally put Laraque on Malkin's line. He does things that are, in my opinion, incalculable unless you're Therrien.

For instance, he plays Whitney and Letang together, and I'm paraphrasing, so that neither of them have a clearly defined role as "the offensive guy" in the pairing.

I've gone on too long, because its pretty obvious you're looking to make counterpoints implying the superiority of your head coach, which is fine.

Just remember, your head coach cannot make your team suddenly capable of dealing with Pittsburgh's superior goaltending, speed, depth, size, grit, health, and team toughness.

The faceoff %'s are going to be brutal, but in the end there just won't be enough Lidstrom to go around. I hope Franzen gets better, though. I don't want to hear about any injuries-leading-to-easy-victory garbage, as seen by our previous opponents.

letsgopsu said...

I love that Bucci gave Sarge some love in his article (even if it was only one sentence). I feel like he is one of the most underrated players in the league. This is old news, but how do you have the season Sarge did and not be a Norris trophy finalist?

Max Power said...

@ j.j.

Sorry my beard told me to do it. Its always telling me to bad things. That's why the PENS need to hurry up and win this before somebody really gets hurt.

J.J. said...

The +/- joke was a jab at the earlier 150+ comment war that a fellow Wings fan started on here.

I am not on here to try to point out Babcock's superiority... I am actually curious. I see a lot of similarities between the Wings and the Penguins and I was wondering if that hinted at similarities with the coaches. Apparently, it does, as your descriptions of Therrien are fairly similar to what I would say about Babcock.

I was later going to ask the question about how you guys think the Pens are going to handle the faceoff difference. A lot of the Wings success comes from puck possession off the faceoffs, especially on the power play. I don't have stats to back this up, but it seems like a good percentage of the Red Wings powerplay goals this season came within fifteen seconds of an offensive zone faceoff win.

I will also assure you all that I am not a scout for the Wings, just a curious fan who knows a great deal about the Western Conference and almost nothing about the East.

Max Power said...


If a wings fan cheers in the Joe and there's no one around to hear him... Does he make a sound?

racheleyos said...

der der der

Dr. Turkleton said...

I ♥ how on their A2Y blog...they leave comments that they left X message over at if they were a scout who ventured into a cave to poke a bear, and lived to tell about it.

I think HCMT is a coach who encourages his players to become the best +/- contributor he can be.

Dr. Turkleton said...

turn it already!!!!!!


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