Wednesday, February 20, 2008

This has been a source of great debate.
MAF vs Conklin, once MAF returns from being hurt.

So, tonight we are taking it into the courtroom.

Conklin vs MAF



The honorable Judge Charlie will preside.

Now, expert witnesses have already been called. But we will still need some character witnesses.

You can email us at [thepensblog@gmail.com] to tell us what you think.

We can't use everyone's statements, but we will use the best that get set in, between now and midnight. Keep them to about a paragraph or so.


In this case. Fleury will be considered the plantiff.
Conklin will be the defendant.




64 comments:

BlacknGold66 said...

Who cares who's in goal. As long as the Pens are in FIRST then I'm happy!

WOOOOOO!

Flyer Hater said...

unreal

Anonymous said...

how would you feel if you got hurt? wouldn't you expect to be given a chance to play, if not start again? well that's pretty much the case with Fleury. Conklin has done well when we needed him the most. However, he wasn't our starting goalie to begin the year. Fleury was our number one pick for a reason, and it showed last year when we went to the playoffs.

I guess it's a matter of giving them both chances to play and seeing who performs the best, cause the rest of the season is playoff atmosphere. And if they both shine, then what can you really do other than let them both have their chances?

chris said...

will crapital fans start hating on Malkin now that hes on top?

haha we shall see...


go pens

Dr. Turkleton said...

the hockey equilivent of a Wally Pipp situation:
Conklin should be this teams starter until the occurrence arises that he:
A) has a bad game
B) gets injured / ill
C) back to back games warrant a rest

the same holds true for when Fluery gets that opportunity in net and the same rules apply for him, as well...

[see: Chicago Blackhawks in the case of Khabibulin v. Lalime]

dave said...

Ride this year's Moose/Lalime while he's hot, but there's no question as to who's #1 beyond this year.

Lady Jaye said...

Anything is good when you add a Law & Order sound effect. Can't wait to see what folks send in. My head hurts too much to think of something witty. I'll leave it to the professionals.

Mike Georger said...

sid sat out practice
shit

Nathan said...

The Caps-Islanders game is on the NHL Network for everyone not in the New York or Washington areas (I live in Virginia, so I'll be getting the Caps' local broadcast), so if you're one of the 22 people in this country with the NHL Network, you can wish death on Ovechkin in real time. Cheers.

Flyer Hater said...

Operation Jobbing is on, Fedko is in.

Hip said...

Chris - you haven't been paying attention. Caps fans have been bitching for weeks now about Malkin's rise. What pisses me off though is they keep saying he only got hot after Bing went down. He was showing steam well before that. Maybe I shouldn't care, but for some reason that really irks me. Tools can't even read stats before spouting off idiocy.

Dr. Turkleton said...

@ hip

i love reading their main washington capitals message boards....they are so full of conspiracy theories, Sid & Geno envy & utter hatred for the pens that's it's too good to pass up...esp. if their squad goes on a mini-slump: it's like watching David Koresh at Waco all over again

wingergirl said...

man you guys keep making my day better. first that comment in the last post about Malkin, and now this.

I just did a fake case summary on this very topic for my sports law class.

I'll change some things up and send it in...

Conklin is number one right now, hands down. He's playing well, and keeping him around will benefit Fleury. Fleury can only learn and benefit from Conklin's solid puck-handling skills and very level play.

Anonymous said...

CONKBLOCK CITY

Anonymous said...

it's all about winning, and i think conklin gives us the best chance to do that right now.

Anonymous said...

Flyer Hater, what's the first and second rule?

derrr

thepensbob said...

Fleury has not played an NHL game for two months, while Conklin has been extremely solid in net. We're only 7 points ahead of 8th place. If you go with Fleury, you not only are going with a rusty goalie, but you risk making Conk lose his game if he is benched for some time, and you could end up with two shaky goalies. Fleury will get his chances in the back to backs and bad games by Conk (God forbid).

some guest. said...

you slowly ease MAF back into the roll. no point to put him directly into the action with the way conklin has been. that wouldnt make any sense

and the third guy-sabourin, you think the pens will be smart and trade him for something, or be dumb and send him back with the possibility of him getting picked up. maybe chicago would pick him up if he was sent down, because of the injury to khabibulin (even though its not that bad)

christina said...

the main goal of this team, and of all its members should be to WIN. night in, night out, most important thing is to get the two points.

that said, i expect both MAF and conk to understand that, and to push themselves to be the best they can, every chance they get.

i believe that conk stays in net till a bad game or back to back. then MAF gets his chance. if he runs with it, he plays. if not, back to conk. repeat.

Anonymous said...

if you bored on the day off from hockey, check this site out:

http://www.sportsargumentwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

its a sports wikipedia edited by a bunch of jobbers. the pens stuff is pretty weak, but overall its a solid site

Anonymous said...

Does Ray Shero think that this team has a solid chance at Lord Stanley's Cup this season?

If he does, he's going to give Coach Therrien free reign to put the best goalie in the net any given night.

In that situation, Conklin and Fleury can probably expect to sit a few games any time they lose.


If, on the other hand, Shero is looking at this as another building year, which I think he is, then he's going to lean heavily to get the MAFer as many starts as he can, both to gain him experience for next season and to figure out what he's worth in a new contract this summer.

Hip said...

Dr. Turk - I post there and try to encourage rational behavior but it seems a lost cause. Koresh is an excellent analogy. They just fold under the weight of their own insecurities.

blufftalk said...

  You must platoon. You're going to need both guys in the playoffs, so platooning them now will give both enough games to stay sharp and not be over-extended.

Dr. Turkleton said...
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Nick Saia (usa) said...

Leave Conk in the top spot PERIOD.
save%, GAA, puck handling, and team chemistry all support this argument.

MAF can earn his top spot back like any other second stringer.

If MAF is truly a competitor and a man, he will swallow his pride and use this experience to make him better. He is our future goalie. CONKLIN IS NOW.

stokes said...

Ovie has no points yet tonight, into the third period. i hope i dont pull a Steiggy and jinx it.

some guest said...

and if anyone cares enough to go outside and freeze for a few minutes, there is currently a lunar eclipse going on.

Nathan said...

Ovechkin finishes the night with no points. The Caps and Isles are in a shootout right now.

Pensgirl said...

Going into tonight's game, the Isles and Caps were separated by one point, with NY ahead. The Caps were three points behind SE-leading Carolina. Which means the Caps desperately need points from anyone to gain on that division lead, and they needed to keep the Isles, a team with whom they are fighting for that 8th spot, from getting points.

So, with the score tied and time winding down in regulation, you'd expect to see Ovechkin out there trying to win the game, save the day, and keep points away from the Isles. But...he's not. Way to use your difference-maker, Caps!

Maybe we should send them a gift basket on behalf of Geno.

Stoosh said...

Caps lose in a shootout. I'm sure the Caps message boards will find a way to pin this on Cros and Geno. Poor Ovechkin...stuck with a fan base that's so obsessed with the world class players from another team, they forget to cheer for their own.

ANON @ Seven-fitty-six PM - Sportsargumentwiki is just an incredible site. That's been a bookmark for months. The college football stuff is particularly hysterical. Check out the Ray Emery page, too. The Crosby and Jack Johnson pages are well worth a look, too. Good times, good times.

Stoosh said...

PENSGIRL - That's what makes them the Caps.

Mike Georger said...

ovie shouldnt even be in the hart consideration if he doesnt lead his team to the title in that division

Hip said...

Pensgirl - in all fairness to the Caps, Ovie has had the flu recently. If he could have sucked enough air to play, he'd have been out there.

The going theory for why Ovie hasn't produced points the past few games is a new girlfriend. Remind anyone of a certain former Pen?

geezer said...

If the goalie glove doesn't fit you must acquit. Your honor, Conks got a groove that just can't lose. What is the hurry to bring back Fleury? We are winning nightly and this can't be taken lightly.

In the event Conks has a bad night or we play back to back, parade out Fleury and lets see if hes got the knack.

Till that happens clearly Conks is the man. He is the best date third wheel in the land. For with him we know net penetration will rarely occur. The puck is swallowed up in his body barely a blur.

So I ask you your honor to stay with THE ANSWER, he is solid as big balls that like Lance Armstrongs are impervious to cancer!

Fleury29 said...

Conkblock City is #1 right now, no doubt.

You bring MAF back and play him on back to back games or weak teams, just to get him some ice time.

Until Conklin shows he doesn't deserve the #1 spot anymore, he's the man.

Someone said in yesterday or the day before's comments that Conkblock may get sent back to W-B/S because he was an emergency callup, that way Sabu could be sent down to W-B/S after the trade deadline and wouldn't have to pass through waivers.

That's a good strategy if Conk stays hot but doing that could make him get cold and then we'd be fucked... though I don't want to lose Sabu to another team on waivers.

I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions and I'm sure we'll all find fault with whatever King Shero decides to do but whatev... that's what makes being a hockey fan interesting.

MadMax said...

couldnt you just leave Fleury in the minors until Feb. 26th at 3:01 pm that way no one has to be waived or sent down or anything?
Is that possible?

Loser Chris said...

If Sabu can be sent down without going through waivers after the deadline then we should just carry all three of them until then.

Conk should get the next two starts and then bring in MAF against San Jose on Sunday.

Matt K said...

LATE BREAKING NEWS FROM THE COURT ROOM.....

Judge Charlie has asked to see both parties in his chambers, alone.

Ryan said...

for what it's worth...madden said today that two "inside sources" told him that Conk is the #1 and it's his job to lose. MAF will solely be the backup until Conk slips up.

Pensgirl said...

Don't I know it, Stoosh! What I wonder about is why their fans seem to think that Boudreau character is so fantastic if that's how he coaches games.

Hip, I wouldn't bother being fair to them. If he's playing, then you have to use him in that situation. That's precisely why a guy like that plays when he's sick. If you don't use him there, then you've just wasted his presence on your bench.

Whatever, anything that keeps Geno on top.

Stoosh said...

There has been a quiet genius about most of Shero's acquisitions this year.

Most of us wanted Hannan. He got Sydor at half the term (2 years vs. four years for Hannan) and about 1/4 the cost ($18M for Hannan, $5M for Sydor). Sydor has eight points, but he's only got 19 PIMs and his defensive play has been very solid for the last couple of months. Hannan has 16 points, but he's a -7.

Most of the fanbase wanted Kariya. When Kariya signed for three years, $18M with St. Louis, he got Sykora for two years, $5 million. Sykora's got 43 points in 59 games, but he's been lights out on that line with Malkin since Sid went out. Kariya has 51 points in 53 games.

He dumped Thibault for Conklin, promising Conklin nothing more than a shot to win the backup job behind Fleury.

He dumped Recchi when it became clear that Recchi wasn't fitting in with the system here. We've been winning since Recchi's been out of the lineup.

The Laraque acquisition looks even better given that the coaches have allowed Lonesome Georges to open up the cycle shop behind the net. Outside of the beatings he administers from time to time, he's helped turn that fourth line into a true mucking-and-grinding line.

I don't know what King Shero has up his sleeve by the time next Tuesday rolls around. I can't say that the team should be kept as is, but I'm not convinced a big shakeup is necessary either.

Kevin Allen from USA Today said they've inquired about Hossa and all it would take to get Hossa would be a B or B+ grade prospect and a player off the roster who could possibly help the Thrashers now. Madden asked Allen if he thought that player would be Staal. Allen said very matter-of-factly that the Pens wouldn't have to give up anyone like Staal to make a deal like that. Allen seemed to think that other than Sundin, asking prices for possible rent-a-player stars will be less this year because not many of them worked out well last year.

Whatever Shero does, I'll have no real reason to believe it's not the right move. I really can't argue much with what he's done in the very brief time he's been on the job.

canaanregulatesblog said...

matt k's comment ftw!

seeker said...

Interesting....

DETROIT - Darren McCarty is close to joining the Detroit Red Wings again.

General manager Ken Holland said Wednesday the team is "leaning toward offering him a contract."

McCarty played in Detroit from 1993 through 2004. He has been productive in comeback stints with the American Hockey League's Grand Rapids Griffins and the International Hockey League's Flint Generals.

He was scoreless in 32 games last season, his second with the Calgary Flames.

McCarty was a fan favourite in Detroit, where the physical forward helped the Red Wings win three Stanley Cups in 1997, 1998 and 2002.

Dr. Turkleton said...

@seeker

guess the money has dried up from selling his stanley cup rings OR Grinder:the band, just isn't pullin' in the crowds it used to

I did hear he's in the best shape of his life [minus the beer gut]

Stoosh said...

PENSGIRL - I think Boudreau has done a terrific job with that team, but I have to wonder how they'll stack up in the playoffs if they get there.

I can see an opposing team taking the top line out of the picture, and then what?

Look at the teams that have done well in the playoffs the last couple of years...they've all rotated at least two and possibly three strong lines. Are the Caps capable of that? I'm not sure. They may be in the same general boat we were last year.

Assuming Sid comes back flying and Malkin keeps this up, these are the two strongest top lines the Pens have put on the ice on the same team since at least the 2000-01 season, and possibly even going back to 95-96. Throw in a fourth line that's doing what normal fourth lines do and a third line that could feature the likes of Staal, Roberts and either Kennedy or Armstrong and I like our chances a lot better this year.

stokes said...

Its 11:20....

Dr. Turkleton said...

channel 35 on my comcast.....
# 1 in my heart.......

cragger said...

I vote ty conklin.

Nothing against MAF'er...

But uhhh...

WE BUILT THIS CONK BLOCK CITY ON ROCK N ROLL!

Anonymous said...

is on...

Dr. Turkleton said...

cough...cough...sniffle...sniffle...cough....barf

Jonny V said...

Unkown virus 3
ThePensblog 0

stokes said...

Jonny V:

I has to be ThePensblog Virus.

stokes said...

I think they totally busted The Pensblog.

Dr. Turkleton said...

...back to ANA v. COL

these guys actually get PAID for this???


the 13th U.S. President ????

Millard 'Gary Roberts' Fillmore

remember: no tomfoolery

wilsmith said...

Presidential Trivia is INTENSE

MadMax said...

You have to go with Ty. He has been unreal in relief of the franchise goalie. Why do the pens get so lucky with random ass backup goaltenders stepping in and owning for a season?
Fleury needs to learn the art of proper puck playing (say that 5 times fast) and another year to grow and mature. (BTW Brodeur is old enough to have basically been Fleury's dad - alittle young but you get the point - Get off his 23 year old back) and then he might be good enough for conklin35 and craig and the random anonymous(es? anonymi? i dunno)
(satire begins now)
I think the pens should trade Fleury at the deadline for a young, scoring winger, defensive defensemen, and a bottle of heinz ketchup. Then after the playoffs, sign 4 or 5 UFA backup goaltenders. One of the 4 or 5 will work out cuz thats how it works for the pens. Cup is in the bag. Maybe we should call up Robert Esche. He obviously has no job. Who knows he could become the next Ty Conklin.
(end satire now: for those that are slow = http://www.answers.com/satire)

Jonny V said...

Stoosh, in regards to your 10:59 post...In Shero We Trust. Kind of surprised that hasn't found it's way on a tPB t-shirt haha

And I don't see us getting rid of Sabu in a trade, unless it's in a package deal. Bryzgalov had to be given away on waivers because Burke couldn't find any player worth trading for.

Hooks Orpik said...

jonny v, I don't think the Pens can trade Sabu no matter if there's a market for him.

Fleury said his ankle felt a little sore after tonight (Wed) game (check Bombulie's blog) so what happens if he somehow re-aggs it and Sabourin is gone.

The depth chart becomes Conklin-Dave Brown.

Obviously you can't have anything but the utmost of respect for what ConkBlock has done but the Pens goalie depth situation can turnaround in a heartbeat, especially with the tricky injury that Fleury has.

Jonny V said...

excellent point hooks. And to put any doubt to rest, on 105.9 this morning they said that Sid didn't make the trip to Montreal.

wingergirl said...

Here's a decent article on the debate:

Fleury=conkblocked

'night, kids.

Nick Saia (usa) said...

my post from earlier today almost seems prophetic after looking at that article. PERIOD. goodnight from dallas. time to dream about beating the habs tomorrow.

PittHockey said...

Epicly awesome.

The unofficial tv-movie sequel to Jobbers?

Chase said...

did anyone know that pittsburghhockey.net is using pensblog's flashblog on their site, complete with fat aerobics instructor lady?

http://www.penguinjersey.com/PensPages/00-presERA/07-08CAP.html

sh0ez said...

So I guess Fleury isn't ready yet considering he played for WB/S last night. But Conklin is still hot and tonight's game is pretty big in the scheme of things. SO WHY ARE WE STARTING SABOURIN!? I understand he should be given at least a final chance before Fleury is back, but why in this game.

My proposal:

Tonight: Conk needs the start. Tonight is pretty important in the grand scheme of things. We are two points behind three teams. We are down 2-1 to MON in the series. This could tie us up and possibly help us later as well as move us up.
Saturday: Conk. Same thing with MON. Tied series. CLose battle at the top. Conk is too hot.
Sunday: Play Fleury if he's feeling good. If he isn't, THIS is the game you give Sabu a final shot. While every game is important, we could give this one up.
Tuesday: If Fleury is still not feeling good, then give it to Sabu. If he's fine and did decent, give it to Fleury to continue easing him back in. If Sabu did really bad against San Jose and Fleury is still out, then Conk.
Thursday: Fleury. (should be good then, if not, Conk. If Sabu played and was decent on Sunday, then give him the nod maybe.)
Saturday: Conk. Ottawa again. Easy call.
Sunday: Fleury/Sabu. Thrashers give us a hard time, but it's the less-worse end of the back-to-back and depending on how they did and how Fleury feels, that's who gets the start.

That seems to make the most sense. I just don't understand starting Sabourin tonight, at all.

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