Sunday, November 11, 2007
The nickname alludes to the growing school of thought that Crosby isn't all what he's cracked up to be because a number of his assists are "secondary" (and there's a groundswell of opinion that the NHL has given Crosby assists on goals that he wasn't even on the ice for).
A secondary assist is just that: a secondary assist.
Crosby has the puck, passes it Malkin.
Malkin passes it Gonchar.
Gonchar -- assisted by Malkin and Crosby (not by Crosby and Malkin).
When hearing about this mess, we went to Google to find out its origin.
Once we clicked SEARCH, we were now dung beetles, totally engulfed by shit.
This whole Secondary Sid thing came out of Washington.
The first topic brought up was Sidney being given the distinction of being the youngest captain in the history of the NHL.
It's not true, since Brian Bellows was 8 months younger when he was captain of the North Stars.
That's pretty much a slam-dunk. End of discussion.
There are some Pens fans who argue about Bellows' reign as captain, which was quite short.
But that doesn't matter.
Seth from [ Empty Netters ] shut it down.
Japers' Rink shut the door on it, too. [ Japers' Rink ]
Hooks Orpik and The Seeker were in the comment thread there.
A great quote came from callinectes on boards.WashingtonCaps.com:
" There is alot more to leadership than putting up points. You can live in your bubble enjoying Mario, Jaromir and Sid as your team's Captain, but they don't compare in leadership to Langway, Hunter and Clark. "
Leadership usually helps in bringing a Stanley Cup or two to the home town.
And then we get to the thick of it.
The Secondary Sid.
We'll hit the internet bacteria breeding ground first.
Also knows as message boards.
[ This thread ] at boards.WashingtonCaps.com debates the "C" and Secondary Sid.
We'll tackle the most insane part about it first, which is the notion that Sid has been awarded phantom assists by NHL scorekeepers who are assigned by Gary Bettman.
nuftjedl: "my issue with the secondary assists isn't so much that he has them. it is the fact of there are a few times, more than a few, that he received when he shouldn't have. this is more of the "Bettman Touch" than just getting them."
FlyersSuck: "How else can you explain the 7 times last year in which Crosby got an assist at a home game when he wasn't even on the ice?"
And this was from a Sabres message board [ Thread ] :
We can honestly, truthfully say that Crosby has had no such treatment from the NHL or official game scorers over the past year or so.
We've never had a man-crush on Sid, and we've been quick to point out every time he makes a mistake or takes a stupid penalty.
And, since we've updated our own stats on this site manually after each game since the beginning of the '06-'07 season, we would be the first to wonder why Sid got a phantom assist, let alone the accused number of 7 unwarranted assists.
We don't care if Sid wins the Art Ross Trophy.
It's a ridiculous statement. Case closed.
And then there's the prevailing "Secondary Sid" theory. ( SST )
It basically means Sid's stats are stacked because roughly 40% of his assists are secondary.
We're not gonna argue about secondary assists and primary assists.
They've been around for a while.
The first instance of the SST popping up on the internet was after the Philly game last season, when Sid had 6 points.
[ 3 Grumpy Caps Fans ] had a post about it.
" So Bing Crosby had a goal and 5 assists, only three of which were secondary.
I think it's time the league reviewed the whole secondary assist thing. It's getting to be like Gretzky's farewell tour, when the guy would get an assist any time he was on the ice and a goal was scored. I know the player's union would never go for it, but this is getting ridiculous. "
"Let's face it folks, Alexander Ovechkin has more charisma in his right pinkie than Crosby has in his whole body. He also has more scoring ability than Crosby will ever dream of. Disagree? Compare The Goal to The Imitation. One is a goal for all-time, something I'll be telling my brother's kids I saw years from now. The other? Someone laying out to make a deflection. And yet every hack with a keyboard in Bristol seems to think that they belong in the same conversation. They don't, and time will show that they won't.
You want to talk about being a complete player? How about putting a shoulder into someone. I've never, EVER seen Sid put a solid lick on any player, much less a physically imposing one. Alexander Ovechkin plays a monster physical game against every team he plays. He doesn't just beat up on the small guys, the grind guys, the lesser players of the NHL. Don't believe me? Ask Forsberg how his head feels. Or search youtube for Crosby and hits. Find anything? Thought not. Now do the same for Ovechkin. I'll see you in half an hour when you're done with the first few pages of highlights.
But yeah, E.J., you're right. Crosby is a complete player. Completely soft.
The guy has more diving minors than hits.
Oh, there's also that little thing called the Calder trophy, given to the best rookie in the NHL. Last year, Ovechkin "edged" Crosby in the voting, winning by a margin of only 119 first place votes (there were 129 cast). That after "experts" like Hradek and Suck Burnside predicted one of the closest votes of all time. Now I'm not saying Crosby is not a good player. He most certainly is. In time he may become one of the all-time greats. What I am saying is this: Putting the Secondary One on a pedestal above the Russian Machine (see, he's even got better nicknames) is more than just lazy journalism. It's downright offensive, and it makes a mockery of what a "complete" player, and hockey in general, should be all about. And Caps fans should be LIVID about it. I know I am."
And that's exactly why we don't write in paragraphs.
It's too hard to read paragraphs on a computer screen without losing your place.
It gets frustrating.
And that post is exactly why we never compare Ovechkin and Crosby.
It's a never-ending joke.
Picking apart what someone writes and finding things to criticize about it
is one of the easiest thing to do in the world.
And we are not below that.
But we don't care enough to do it.
This is the initial post in the message-board thread that we linked above.
imau2fan: "Thornton 92 assists (54 primary, 38 secondary), 58.7% primary
Crosby 84 assists (48 primary, 36 secondary), 57.1% primary
Savard 74 assists (39 primary, 35 secondary), 52.7% primary."
Solid breakdown of the stats.
We're puzzled that there's no Secondary Thornton theory going around.
A rather convincing and noteworthy article came from boltsfan's blog on [ Fox Sports ].
It was in March of '07, where he compared the stats of Crosby and Lecavalier with secondary assists removed.
"Crosby isnt half the player Lecavalier is. Vinny is a force every night for his team, logging over 22 mins a game on the ice, playing power play, penalty kill and even strength. His even rating may turn some people off, but when you're on the penalty kill nearly the entire 2 minutes, it will affect your +/-. "
Ouch, too bad (+/-) isn't calculated during special teams.
Other than that, the blog raises some points that any Crosby-hater/NHL fan will have to look at twice.
In closing, these arguments are all ridiculous.
Pens fans would hate Crosby if he was in Washington.
On the flip side, Caps fans wouldn't complain if they had Sid.
Pens fans wouldn't complain if they had Ovechkin.
Lightning fans wouldn't complain if they had Crosby.
Pens fans wouldn't complain if they had Lecavalier.
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