Saturday, February 21, 1981

Conklin Supporters

The prosecution makes excellent points about Mr. Fleury's fragile ego and what is perceived by many to be his inalienable right to be number one -- after all, he was a number one pick. They hold him in the same regard as fellow number one goalie pick Rick DiPietro. But as Mr. Di-pi-8-holes's illustrious career shows, a number one goalie does not grow over night. Not every world-class talent is ready for the NHL before they grow pubic hair, such as the incestuous Marty Brodeur. Many need to learn at the knee of a veteran. A veteran who has seen Lord Stanley, has tasted him -- and knows what it feels like to have that glory ripped away by his own stupidity.

Therefore, your rainbowlicious honor, I ask you to consider my client, Mr. Conklin. A NHL veteran at age 31, he has been humbled by relegation to AHL teams. He knows embarassment -- if we may submit into evidence exhibit A, a tape of the lack of Conkblock in a Stanley Cup final. Mr. Conklin knows what it takes to rebound and knows how to shake off a bad goal. Furthermore, my client here has proven himself as an elite goalie this year, placing in the top statistical rankings. I ask you, why not stay with the hot hand? Why not provide this young, impressionable, fragile goalie with a tough mentor who can split the duty and help him mature. After previous leaders attempted to convert Mr. Fleury into a yo-yo, bouncing him between the AHL and NHL, Mr. Fleury's psychological development has been stunted.

All I ask is please, give Conks a chance. Truly, you must Rock out with your Conk out. It is the only answer.


DRae

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Your Honorable Gayness,

I am Mr. Hotshot Lawyer FireFox representing Mr. Conklin in this case today. Our defense is simple. Mr. Fleury started the season for the Penguins with every opportunity to excel as he did the year before. However, he did not repeat his performance of last year. He consistently gave up large rebounds, was replaced with Mr. Sabourin several times in both starting and relief positions and has the worst statistics of all 3 goalies on the team this season. Mr. Conklin however clearly has the better statistics to even include the league leader in save percentage. My defendant has also made a clear case that his puck handling skills can and do win games. See exhibit A…a score card for the Feb 19th game against the Panthers where Mr. Conklin was credited for an assist on the game winning goal.

In conclusion, it is clear that my defendant should keep his job as starting goaltender for the Penguins until such time that he is not performing up to the high standards he has shown this season. Mr. Fleury is still young and will have many opportunities in the future to represent the team well. Besides, Mr. Fleury does not have fan rallying cries the fans so enjoy like “Conkblock”, “We built this city on Conk and roll” and “Rock out with your Conk out.”

Thank you for your time your Honorable Gayness. I hope my statement will not require any “de-briefing” (Hotshot Lawyer = stunned)

SCOTT ALEXANDER

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Well in court its all about truth, and facts so here's my input on the pens beautiful goal-tending situation. At the beginning of the year we were stuck with MAF as our only real goal tender, if anyone can remember when Sabu let in 5 in the pre-season. Next I had a heart attack when MAF got hurt simply trying to move. However since then we have givin a new guy the "Key to the crease" and the city, Ty Conklin aka Conk block. There's the truth now down to the facts MAF was (9-8-1) record thats one game better than Sabu, with a save percentage of .902 that ranks at 34 in the league. Now on the other hand with 2 games in hand Ty Conklin is 16-4-3, the least amount of losses among any goal-tender with enough starts and an incredible .932 save percentage. If Conk had not played this well MAF would have returned at least a week ago, So sorry for your loss MAF you need to play back up, a nd O yeah your not going to get a huge contract sitting in the run way. Looks like the penguins are the true winners of this whole situation. LETS GO PENS

JFERRANTE4

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If the goalie glove doesn't fit you must acquit. Your honor, Conks got a groove that just can't lose. What is the hurry to bring back Fleury? We are winning nightly and this can't be taken lightly.

In the event Conks has a bad night or we play back to back, parade out Fleury and lets see if hes got the knack.

Till that happens clearly Conks is the man. He is the best date third wheel in the land. For with him we know net penetration will rarely occur. The puck is swallowed up in his body barely a blur.

So I ask you your honor to stay with THE ANSWER, he is solid as big balls that like Lance Armstrongs are impervious to cancer!


From: Geezer

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I quote Lord Therrien: "Performance dictate."
How can't you go with the Conk?

JOEY RUBINO

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Truthfully im of the old school thought that you dont lose your job to injury, but in this caase Conklin has been playing lights out. I'm not sure we would be where we are without Conklin and i think he deserves the job until he loses it or (gasp!) gets hurt.

JIM POOLE

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Well, there's no point in sitting Conky if he's stunning teams left and
right. And further, Fleury would be just the best backup in the league, which would make it easier on all of Pittsburgh's psyche. Didn't Anaheim utilize two goalies in the playoffs? That would work, if one has a subpar game, just give him a blow and let the other quality netminder have a shot. Chris Carosi ...........................................
The Defense(men) of Ty Conklin:
Your honor my name is Sergei Gonchar and I am a defensemen for the Pittsburgh Penguins. First off I would like to state that I am now pain free thanks to Ty since I no longer have to play with my face in the boards. He has made all the defense better with his puckhandling skills. I was in the minus category when Fluery was in goal, however, now I am well over on the plus side of things and its all because of Conklin. Secondly Conklin, overall, has the highest rated goalie standings in the league. This is a waste of the fine taxpayer's money here in America. He should be the goalie until he falters just like I should play point on the powerplay until I falter.
Cory King

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The defendant is guilty...


...of being AWESOME. That wasn't my defense. See below for a less dude-tastic argument.
Conklin has been hot since he got in net. After his streak of Ws, a lot of us held our breath to see if the fairytale was over, but Conk has proven that he is a consistent goalie who can handle the puck with shades of Barasso. I can't tell you how many time I have screamed at my television (my wife and I live D.C., so live games come but a few times a year) and hid my eyes when Fleury went behind the net or came out to play the puck because it never seems to work out well. None of that worry with Conklin. In fact, I would argue that he is an offensive weapon. Don't get me wrong, Fleury is good -- he may even prove to be great -- but I think his overall development has been too slow to warrant shoving him back in net instead of staying with the goalie who has gotten us this far this season. My grandfather always used to tell me, "You leave the party with the one who brought you or bad s[tuff] is bound to happen," and Conk is a HUGE reason we are at the top of our division. What can Fleury do now that Conk can't do or hasn't been doing? Nothing, so stick with the Conkblock until he needs a break for whatever reason, then call Fleury off the stool in the tunnel. Final words: Conklin is playing like a man possessed (and fighting for his job), while Fleury will be coming in rusty and on already shaky ground. I say we ride this wave to the playoffs and see what Conklin can do for us after April 6.
Joe V.

.............................................. Plain and simple: If Conklin is still playing up to par by the time Fleury comes back, then you stick with him. Just because Fleury is Fleury doesn't mean he should automatically be thrown back into the #1 spot. People seem to forget that Fleury's record this season is 9-8-1. He wasn't exactly lighting it up before he got hurt. Conk on the other hand has really saved the season for the Pens. First, we lose Fleury. Oh no. The Pens keep truckin' on. Then, we lose Sid. Holy bejesus, the season's over. Geno steps up his game and Conk remains solid. Bottom line: Conk is 16-4-3. He's our money man right now. Sure, he might be a one-season flash in the pan, but if it gets the Pens to the playoffs and beyond, I'm all for it. The organization knows what Fleury can bring them in the long-term. Right now, it's all about Conklin and him helping us to the top spot in the Eastern Conference. Sean Leahy ..........................................................................

(JURY PRESENT)

THE COURT (JUDGE CHARLIE): The record will reflect we're back in the presence of Mr Matlock, counsel for Mr. Conklin. Mr. Shero, and Mr. Therrien. Number 1, both parties have agreed to stipulate as to the following matters: Coolness of goaltending equipment will not be called into question. Order selected in the NHL Entry draft is not of matter in this court. And also Mats Sundin has a gorgeous mouth.

MR. MATLOCK: No problems your honor.

THE COURT: Proceed MR. MATLOCK.

MR. MATLOCK: Defense calls Mr. Nigel Dawes, your honor.

MR. MATLOCK: Please state your name and spell it for the record sir.

DAWES: Nigel Dawes, D-A-W-E-S;

MR. MATLOCK: Mr. Dawes how are you currently employed?

DAWES: I am a profession hockey player, with the New York Rangers

MR. MATLOCK: Do you know the plaintiff in this case, a Mr. Marc-Andre Fleury?

DAWES: Yes I do. I played in the 2004 Canadian Junior Hockey tournament with him.

MR. MATLOCK: What was the teams record in that tournament.

DAWES: We were undefeated for most of the tournament. 4-0 at one point, if I recall.

MR. MATLOCK: Who was the leading scoring in this tournament?

MR. SHERO: OBJECTION! Relevancy your honor?

THE COURT: Overruled, I want to see where this sweet, sweet, hottie is taking this line of questioning. Make it brief, Mr. Matlock.

DAWES: I was. 11 points; 6 goals and 5 assists.

MR. MATLOCK: And did you win the gold medal in this tournament?

DAWES: No we did not.

MR. MATLOCK: And why not…

DAWES: Because of Marc-Andre Fleury.

MR. MATLOCK: What was the score in that gold-medal game, with less than 5 minutes to go?

DAWES: We were tied 3-3 with the US.

MR. MATLOCK: So it was tied 3-3 and you did not win this game. Why not?

DAWES: Because Fleury thinks he can handle the puck.

MR. SHERO: OBJECTION

THE COURT: Yes I’ll sustain that one. Keep your witness under control Mr. Matlock. If I have to beat him myself I will.

MR. MATLOCK: Ok. So you lost. How did you lose?

DAWES: The US came into our zone, Fleury came out of the net and tried to play the puck, and it bounced right into the net.

MR. MATLOCK: Do you know Mr. Conklin?

DAWES: Not personally. I’ve seen him play.

MR. MATLOCK: How does he handle the puck?

DAWES: He’s a 3rd defenseman. It’s invaluable for a team to have that…I would know.

MR. MATLOCK: Nothing further for this witness. Nicholas Evanovich ................................................................ I think that we should maintain status quo and let MAF get in the games that dont matter. He needs those shots so we have quality depth at G. Conk should stay in since he has performed above everyones expectations. Brian Haskins ................................................................... I feel that Marc-Andre Fleury has earned the right to compete for playing time as a back-up, but should not by any means be handed the starting job. Let's not forget that Marc-Andre has been pulled approximately 5 times this season and lost the starting job to Sabourin for a period of time. I realize that he is supposed to be our franchise goalie and he won 40 games last season, but there are major holes that exist in his game. Last year in the playoffs, the Senators got in Fleury's crease and rattled him to the point that he could not do his job in net. They also took advantage of Marc-Andre Fleury's inability to play the puck. More recently, veteran defenseman Darryl Sydor struggled early this season because he was not used to playing with a goalie that refused to play the puck when it was dumped in behind his net. Ty Conklin has shown that by playing the puck, a defenseman's job is made easier and allows for a smoother transition. Fleury may have more talent and will provide us with some flashy saves, but there is no way you can argue that he is a more SOLID goaltender, which is what the Penguins need and have in Ty Conklin. Gregory Marks ..............................................................
Conklin's the man!
Reasoning:
Yes, MAF won 40 games last year, but what weakness was exposed so adroitly by the Senators was the fact that our defense is primarily young and young defensemen tend to get rattled when pressured to make good passes, plays, and breakouts. The first pass on any breakout play is the most important. Our defense still has problems in that department (when pressured to make a quick decision). This improves with maturity.
Not only does Conklin help the team in being capable of amazing saves and WAY less rebounds, but he is VITAL to helping our defense because he can play the puck 1000 times better than both Sabu and Fleury. His ability to play the puck when dumped into our zone, getting that first puck movement FOR the defense (or at least forcing the opposition to know our defense isn't one dimensional in that respect) takes-away much of that pressure. It's like having another defensemen back there which allows the defense to also play better positional hockey.
It's no coincidence that our record has improved CONSISTENTLY with the arrival of Conklin between the pipes.
The Seeker

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people forget that fleury was hardly lights out before he got hurt. he was not playing like he did last year. he should get chances to get his job back, but if conkin keeps being a machine and fleury is just average there's no point in making fleury the starter because he's a fan favorite, if he can't win games, play someone who can. MIKE BEZEK ...................................................................
Hey guys, I'm taking the side of the defense attorney and defending Tyler Conklin.
With the situation regarding the prosecution (MAFer) and my client Ty Conklin, it is simply a question of what have you done for me lately? Yes, while it may be true that Mr. Fleury was playing at his best when he suffered a high ankle sprain, his best is equivalent to a mediocre Ty Conklin. Both this season and last, the Penguins have gone on undefeated streaks. This year the Penguins from December 23rd to January 14th went 9-0-1on the back of Mr. Conklin. In those 10 games, the Penguins outscored their opponents 34 to 13, which when averaged out per game is 3.4 goals for per game to 1.3 goals allowed per game. By comparison, lets look at the Penguins undefeated run of the 2006-2007 season, where from January 13th to February 18th the Penguins went 14-0-2. In those games, the Penguins outscored their opponents 74 to 46, which averages out to 4.625 goals for per game to 2.875 goals against per game. Understandably Mr. Jocelyn Thibault was responsible for some of these goals, but the point is clear. The 2007-2008 Penguins are winning games when offense at times is at a premium and is scarce. Mr. Fleury was winning games when the offense was potent and unstoppable. In a playoff situation, if our forwards have a bad game, and we look to someone to keep us in it, you have to ask, who have I looked to lately?
Matt B. ......................................................................

Mr. Conklin, through no fault of his own, found himself thrust into a situation with little room for error. He was expected to shoulder the burdens and playoff aspirations of an entire team nay, a city and undoubtedly it can be said: he delivered. And while Mr. Fluery's past record is indeed remarkable, the very argument that his supporters are making (that he should not lose his previous position due to external circumstances) can be used against him, in favor of Mr. Conklin. What about his claim to the position that he has held for the past two months? Additionally, the notion that one "shouldn't lose their job to injury" is archaic and unrealistic. Let us not even begin to enumerate the risks that hurrying back from injury and immediately putting oneself in the "line of fire" might result in both physically and mentally for Mr. Fluery.

No one in this courtroom is suggesting that the plaintiff does not have some rights or claims to the position of goalie for the Penguins organization, merely that those claims are not necessarily those that were afforded him prior to his injury; they are not that of the starting goalie. The situation has changed.

In a position so important as goalie, on a team so extraordinary as the Penguins, should not every player be subject to proving themselves for any reason? at any time? This is that time. Mr. Fluery ought do what serves the "whole" more than the "self," namely, himself. He ought to acquiesce to a settlement, as proposed by the Defendant's counsel.

Solution: Out-of-court-settlement (50/50 split of playing time until and as such, Lord Therrien deems an adjustment necessary)

*run as-is or edit as deemed necessary.

Thanks,

largefarva


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The case before the court is a tough one. On one hand, you have the #1 overall pick, "future" of the franchise. On the other, you have a journeyman 31 yr old goaltender best known for giving away a game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals in the waning seconds. Looking at each of them in this light, Charlie's gavel would be banged faster than Don Cherry on a street corner in Toronto's gay district, but there happens to be alot more to the story than what's on the surface. #35 has been the closest thing to the Pens last #35 they have ever had. This season, he has almost single handedly (71) kept the Pans playoff chances afloat. Where would they be without his Brad Tolliver like, meteoric rise to the upper echelons of the NHL's stat sheet? Every game he either outright steals the game, or makes the timely saves that allows this years Art Ross winner to take over the game. How can you bench one of your teams MVP candidates? MAF doesn't deserve to be relegated to 1-2 games a month by any means, but you have to play the stronger player until the need for a change becomes painfully clear. MAF has the ability, but when you handle the puck like the Staal family handles alcohol and your confidence is as fragile as Braydon Coburn's ass, there is a problem. I submit this to the court in favor of Conkblock retaining his starting job. Judge Charlie likes older men anyway, why do you think Eddie Johnston's been around for so long?
Sincerely,
disturbtheworld ....................................................................

It’s the American way to go with a winner, is it not? No more need be said, in my opinion…………….

Kathie Neubert-Friez

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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, as in any trial, the burden of proof lies with the prosecution. In order to regain his number one status, MAF must establish that he is the better goalie, or at the very least that he gives the Pens the best shot to win each game. The evidence here clearly speaks for itself. Conklin has a stellar record of 16-4-3 as a starter, with a sick .932 S%, over the past two months. MAF's stats from the start of the season simply do not compare. What's more, there is no telling how he will play now, status post high ankle sprain, a particularly difficult injury for a goalie to sustain. Ultimately, this is not about feelings, personal preferences or even future considerations. This is crunch time. We have a question mark and we have a solid, consistent, proven winner. The choice now is obvious. Conklin must remain the starter until his own play dictates the position is no longer his.

Thank you.
Hip

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Okay, so when I turned this assignment in, it was four pages long. You guys said a paragraph...so I trimmed it. Basically it's as bare bones as any complaint ever was. Fleury has won about 43% of the games he has played this season. Conklin has won about 67%. Conklin has a higher save percentage (.932) than Fleury had before his injury (.908). Conklin is a great puck-handler, so much to the point that the defensemen have said that it is sometimes like having a third d-man on the ice. Even if the team makes the gradual shift to Fleury as number one, they almost have to keep Conklin around, as he can teach Fleury how to be a better puck-handler. There was also an entire legal contract jargon section in that assignment about their individual contracts...but it's confusing at best, even to me. I don't want anyone to sprain their brains. Sherrie J.
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Honorable Judge Charlie,

I'm writing in support of the defendant Ty Conklin. His career hasn't
had very many upsides, but the undrafted goalie from Alaska hasn't
really been given a chance either. His only season before this one in
which he played at least 20 games was in 2003-2004 with Edmonton. His
numbers that season (17-14-4-0, 2.42 GAA, .912 S%) and, obviously, his
numbers this year are both better than any numbers Fleury has put up at
the NHL level. That 2003-2004 season was also one in which the Oilers
were not a playoff team. When Conklin gets the chance to be the man
between the pipes, he does his share of work, and as the Pens are
finding out this year, even a little bit (OK, a lot) more.

Matthew Carulli


MAF Supporters


What you have here is a double edged sword. You need to keep winning to stay in good playoff position (and in the playoffs period). I would suggest starting out giving fleury a spot start or 2, perhaps in back to back situations. This will allow him to ease back into NHL caliber games (no offense baby penguins). If he looks sharp, and does well in practice, you begin to give him the majority of the starts. The fact is Fleury is still young, and maturing his game. He will begin to become a better puckhandler as he gets more experience in the NHL game. Also fleury is a FA at the end of the year too I believe, so you have to decide if the penguins will commit to him.
Also in the playoffs, we need to continue getting Fleury experience. This team will only continue to get better over the coming years, and Fleury is a key piece of that I believe. So you gradually easy him back to starting the majority of games assuming he plays well and doesn't have any injury setbacks. Conklin isn't the goalie of the future, but if needed he has been/can continue to be the goalie of now.
Thanks,
Sammy

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Staff:
I'm not sure if this is for or against either goalie, but since i got pwned on Cblog today, i'm not sure if it matters anyway.
I think that the two of them will force each other to play well. I know that the AHL is the AHL, but from all accounts, MAF's been playing extremely well, and it sounds like he's been active stick handling the puck. However, Conk should probably be the guy unless something happens -coming down to earth, illness, (God-forbid)an injury. At the same time, you shouldn't be losing your job to injury. MAF is a No. 1 overall pick and should probably be treated as one, since he's done really nothing to lose favor with anyone in the Organization. I'm glad that i'm not a Pens HQ having to make these decisions- you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Either way, they got to get a No. 1 before the play offs begin and i think there's plenty of time for that to happen.
Really looking forward to reaing this post. Sorry my thoughts were so scatter-brained.
Cblogger Stokes
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Though Conklin has undeniably been playing very well, this current Penguins coaching staff under Therrien has gone out of their way to try and take the starting job away from Fleury at every given chance. If you need proof, remember that Sabu got a huge opportunity to compete for the starting job early in the year, even after MAF got 40 wins last year and Sabu had 2 for his entire NHL career. MAF is a restricted free agent at the end of this year and if we don't show that the organization has faith in him, there is no reason for him to want to stay. Fleury deserves the chance to take the number 1 spot, after all in a year do you really expect Conklin to be our starting goalie? That would mean after 10 years of consistent mediocrity he has finally turned the corner. It would make a great story but it's a huge long shot, and it's not a chance we should be willing to take when we have such an otherwise talented and promising team. That being said, Conklin completely saved the season. Conk Block City baby!!! LUKE
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Judge Pensblog Charlie must rule in favor of both the plaintiff and defendant (there's nothing he likes more than making two guys happy at once anyways...). Conklin and Fleury should be splitting games nearly evenly from this point on, with both on a very tight leash. Legal precedent comes in the form of the 2007-2008 Detroit Red Wings. Hasek has played 30 games to Osgood's 33. They are both well rested and thriving in their situation. Also, while defendant Conkblock is on fire right now, we must remember that MAF is the future of the Pens. A 31-year old journey-man may be doing well right now, but he's still a 31-year old journey-man. If the Pens do it right, Conklin and Fleury should both get ample starting time until one of them clearly distinguishes himself as the guy most likely to bring the Pens a Stanley Cup this spring.

-Scheim86
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Conklin has contributed all he can to this Penguin team. It's time to
turn the rains over to Fleury. Conklin put together an impressive
streak, but that's all it was, a streak. If this team is to go far in
the playoffs, they can't have a guy who when last called upon in a
playoff pressure situation coughed up a goal that could be argued to
be the series turning point ('06 Stanley Cup finals game1). In last
years playoffs, with an inexperienced team in front of him, Fleury did
quite well for himself. One could even argue that he stole game 2
(their only win). In any case, Fleury is the future in net for this
organization, thus he should have restored to him that which was only
taken away by injury.

STEVEN PACE

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f Fleury is the plaintiff, then the title of the post should be Fleury v Conklin, not Conklin vs. Fleury.
Fleury needs to file a motion for summary judgment and skip the trial process all together, because he is the rightful starting goaltender and there is no factual dispute . But seeing as how Justice Charlie likes to dress in robes and be controlling over french-canadian boys, the trial will inevitably happen. As counsel for Fleury, I must contend that no man should lose his job because of injury. It is a well known canon within the hockey world and should apply here. Fleury is the goalie of the Pittsburgh Penguins and a person whom we have invested considerable money and resources into. While the work of Conklin has been tremendous, it is not sufficient to deny the Penguins' goalie his job. I feel retarded typing like this and will leave my submission at that.

Josh

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